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Old 07-26-2016, 09:46 AM
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Gov. McAuliffe signed 200,000 pardons for felons so they can vote.... hmmm.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us...ourt.html?_r=0

Stated in the publication "In a statement on Friday night, the governor said he would sign nearly 13,000 individual orders to restore voter registration rights and would continue to sign orders until he accounted for all 200,000. “My faith remains strong in all of our citizens to choose their leaders, and I am prepared to back up that faith with my executive pen,” he said."

So, it looks like even though the supreme court of Virginia knocked it down, he is going to do it anyway?

So, does this re-instate all of their rights? Meaning they have the right to own a gun again? Which means he just allowed 200,000+ criminals to be armed legally !!!
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I discussed this with the wife some yesterday.

If this was done simply as a social experiment (using non-violent offenders) to see if eliminating the felony would allow for better integration back into society and thus lessen recidivism. This would have been an actual good thing towards social reforms. Although 200,000 is quite a high amount of people for a testing population.

However, due to the Governor's prior actions, this wasn't the purpose. This was done solely to increase voter base and is corrupt as hell.
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Well, if the dead can vote, why not?

Buncha corrupt SOBs.
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I discussed this with the wife some yesterday.

If this was done simply as a social experiment (using non-violent offenders) to see if eliminating the felony would allow for better integration back into society and thus lessen recidivism. This would have been an actual good thing towards social reforms. Although 200,000 is quite a high amount of people for a testing population.

However, due to the Governor's prior actions, this wasn't the purpose. This was done solely to increase voter base and is corrupt as hell.
I agree 100%.. Think I may just move to TX!
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(snip) So, does this re-instate all of their rights? Meaning they have the right to own a gun again? Which means he just allowed 200,000+ criminals to be armed legally !!!
The Virginia Constitution provides for the Governor powers in this respect, and may or may not restore any political disability.

In this case, the Governor has chosen to exercise his power of office to that of the removal of disabilities to voting only. The bar to and with respect to firearms, is still in full force and effect.

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The Governor shall have power to remit fines and penalties under such rules and regulations as may be prescribed by law; to grant reprieves and pardons after conviction except when the prosecution has been carried on by the House of Delegates; to remove political disabilities consequent upon conviction for offenses committed prior or subsequent to the adoption of this Constitution; and to commute capital punishment.

He shall communicate to the General Assembly, at each regular session, particulars of every case of fine or penalty remitted, of reprieve or pardon granted, and of punishment commuted, with his reasons for remitting, granting, or commuting the same.
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I never saw it rational for a felon released after completing their sentence to still have voting and firearm “rights” still prohibited. If you’ve safe enough to be out of prison without having a guardian responsible for your 24/7, then you ought to have a say in how your government is run, and the ability to protect yourself.
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I never saw it rational for a felon released after completing their sentence to still have voting and firearm “rights” still prohibited. If you’ve safe enough to be out of prison without having a guardian responsible for your 24/7, then you ought to have a say in how your government is run, and the ability to protect yourself.
It's called suffering the consequences of your actions. They should consider consequences before committing the crime.
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I never saw it rational for a felon released after completing their sentence to still have voting and firearm “rights” still prohibited. If you’ve safe enough to be out of prison without having a guardian responsible for your 24/7, then you ought to have a say in how your government is run, and the ability to protect yourself.

I'm curious then... Say said felon is released on parole.. And commits another crime, happens all the time. So now we are saying they should have the legal right to give them easier access to a weapon?

Say said felon was released after committing murder, rape, etc,... You still want them to have easier access to a gun without the legal ramifications of possessing the weapon?

In my eyes, giving them the right to vote is equivalent to giving them a weapon. It gives them the power to have an impact in elections and on who is voted into office, which can in turn have an impact on those citizens who never committed a felony in the first place.

There is an old saying "Do the crime, do the time" .. an individual knows the potential punishment before committing a crime, let them serve said punishment.

Prime example, according to LA Times May 14th issue in 2006 (Yes, I know the article may be a bit older but it is still true today), In less than 3 years after being released from prison, 15,775 former convicts were re-arrested. 1443 were arrested for assault and battery, 518 were arrested for burglary, 215 were arrested for a sex crime, and 16 were arrested for murder charges.

Those were arrests, I am sure there are many more that were not caught. And the Gov wants to give them the right to vote in the next election. Something that will have a direct impact on not only new laws, but the supreme court as we still have one seat to fill and most likely will need to fill a few more before the presidential term is finished. How is it ok, for the Gov. to do a blanket pardon for over 200,000 felons then?

I will always agree with the rational, if you commit a serious crime that is labeled a felony, and are proven guilty.. you lost those privileges then.
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They should not be out if they have not completed their sentence. I don't believe in parole or probation. Either in prison or not. If not, you have your rights. They are RIGHTS, not privileges.
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I’ve never understood this issue fully and I guess that’s because I have first hand knowledge that this started under Governor McDonnell. I was a headquarters sergeant with state police when this started and we were responsible to check felons criminal histories to determine if they had committed a felony considered to be violent. We had a list of certain crimes to check against each record and I wondered then why a republican governor would want to do this?! It was called the Governor’s Initiative or something like that. Maybe he was trying to cut into the democrats base and use it as a means of building up his support in certain demographics? Anyhow he ended up getting attacked and destroyed by the left and his silly wife didn’t help matters ��
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It's called suffering the consequences of your actions. They should consider consequences before committing the crime.
Most people don't. Or they think it's worth it, in the moment. It's part of the reason they are criminals.
Same kind of thinking applies to credit cards.

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I'm curious then... Say said felon is released on parole...
If on parole, he shouldn't be on the list to have rights restored yet.

Once his parole is over and he's proved he can live like a law abiding citizen, then it should be a thing.
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Figures on how many people actually voted? Not sure it would list high on many convicts "bucket lists."
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So, are these pardoned ex-cons now able to buy GUNS?

Maybe they won't all vote Democrat... A new recruitment pool for the NRA!


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