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My all time favorite gun is my Marlin 357 lever action. Mine has the Ballard rifling and shoots lead bullets just fine. I reload and have made pop gun round ball loads that would work for small game hunting and of course full power loads. But I like a mid range 357 load best. I use a 357 case with a hard cast lead bullet and 6.6grs of unique. I am not sure of the rifle speeds but it gets around 1100fps from a handgun. So probably between 1300-1400fps from the rifle and no leading.

I also have a Marlin 44 mag with Ballard rifling and killed one deer with it. Its a deer killing machine. My bud has used his 44 mag to kill around 10 deer so far. None have ran very far after being hit.

I had a 45-70 but got tired of being slammed by it when I shot it so I made reduced loads of 300gr bullets loaded to 1600fps. Then the light went on and I thought "this is the same power range as a 44 mag" and so I sold the 45-70 and bought the 44 mag. For the close range whitetail hunting I do it will work fine. So will the 357 if I took it on a hunt. Deer season is coming. Maybe the 357 will make a trip to the ranch with me.
I thought about the 45-70 but the 44 is so smooth with almost no kick.
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How is it to 50 yards without a scope? 100 yards with?
For a rifleman..... Learn how to shoot your rifle. The 44 magnum is a 200 yard rifle if needed to be! With Irons. Scope it and it is much easier. I own this caliber in both rifle (Marlin 1894s) and Ruger Redhawk. It's a man's caliber.

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How is it to 50 yards without a scope? 100 yards with?
For a rifleman..... Learn how to shoot your rifle. The 44 magnum is a 200 yard rifle if needed to be! With Irons. Scope it and it is much easier. I own this caliber in both rifle (Marlin 1894s) and Ruger Redhawk. It's a man's caliber.

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Thanks and please realize not everyone has 20/20 vision. I can shoot just fine with irons, I just can’t see what I’m shooting at out to 100 yards. Now if you want me to blindly blast away at 200 yards, I feel sorry for every tree that slightly resembles a deer.
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Yes you can shoot the 44 mag at 200 yards. But it is not consistent enough for me to shoot at deer with it at that range. The animals deserve better than that. If you want to shoot game at that range get a gun and sighting system better suited for it. You want to bust rocks on the side of a hill at 200 yards and open sights then have at it.

The 44 mag is much better as a short range rifle.
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Well I finally decided to go with the Henry Big Boy. So far it is turning out to be a good decision. The action is not as smooth as I thought it would be based on the other Henry I have and reviews I looked at online but it is something that should improve over time. Iím looking forward to running more tests as Iíve only recently put some rounds through it.
Got a couple .44 Magnum carbines around here, and I really do love my Henry Big Boy. Sure hangs nice on target. Didn't care for the bright gold look, so I artificially aged it.

Is yours the brass frame version as well? I've heard that they are not the best choice to mount a scope on, as the material is a little soft, and the (slight) recoil with the weight of a scope will eventually round the screw holes.

May want to consider a peep sight, if your eyes are a little slow to adjust and see the sights and target all at "the same time".
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Got a couple .44 Magnum carbines around here, and I really do love my Henry Big Boy. Sure hangs nice on target. Didn't care for the bright gold look, so I artificially aged it.

Is yours the brass frame version as well? I've heard that they are not the best choice to mount a scope on, as the material is a little soft, and the (slight) recoil with the weight of a scope will eventually round the screw holes.

May want to consider a peep sight, if your eyes are a little slow to adjust and see the sights and target all at "the same time".
Mine is brass as well. I've thought about aging it and I've thought about just handling it enough to naturally age it more quickly.

I really enjoy iron sights on this one as I have other guns I use for scoped shooting. I usually spend a lot of time letting my eyes focus back and forth between the target and sights before squeezing the trigger. It's all about breathing and focus for me when I'm target shooting.

What process did you use to age your receiver and stock plate?
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Yes you can shoot the 44 mag at 200 yards. But it is not consistent enough for me to shoot at deer with it at that range. The animals deserve better than that. If you want to shoot game at that range get a gun and sighting system better suited for it. You want to bust rocks on the side of a hill at 200 yards and open sights then have at it.

The 44 mag is much better as a short range rifle.
I purchased it primarily for less than 100 yard shooting and probably more like 50 yard shooting so it's working well for me so far. I would use a different rifle for anything at 200 yards even if this gun will do it.
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Mine is brass as well. I've thought about aging it and I've thought about just handling it enough to naturally age it more quickly.

I really enjoy iron sights on this one as I have other guns I use for scoped shooting. I usually spend a lot of time letting my eyes focus back and forth between the target and sights before squeezing the trigger. It's all about breathing and focus for me when I'm target shooting.

What process did you use to age your receiver and stock plate?
I think it was Birchwood Casey Superblue. Not applied directly, as it would just purely blacken the brass. I kind of put a bunch of oil on the brass, then poured the blue on steel wool and rubbed in until I got a bunch of varied colours.
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Mine is brass as well. I've thought about aging it and I've thought about just handling it enough to naturally age it more quickly.

I really enjoy iron sights on this one as I have other guns I use for scoped shooting. I usually spend a lot of time letting my eyes focus back and forth between the target and sights before squeezing the trigger. It's all about breathing and focus for me when I'm target shooting.

What process did you use to age your receiver and stock plate?
I think it was Birchwood Casey Superblue. Not applied directly, as it would just purely blacken the brass. I kind of put a bunch of oil on the brass, then poured the blue on steel wool and rubbed in until I got a bunch of varied colours.
Would love to see the result
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Mine is brass as well. I've thought about aging it and I've thought about just handling it enough to naturally age it more quickly.

I really enjoy iron sights on this one as I have other guns I use for scoped shooting. I usually spend a lot of time letting my eyes focus back and forth between the target and sights before squeezing the trigger. It's all about breathing and focus for me when I'm target shooting.

What process did you use to age your receiver and stock plate?
I think it was Birchwood Casey Superblue. Not applied directly, as it would just purely blacken the brass. I kind of put a bunch of oil on the brass, then poured the blue on steel wool and rubbed in until I got a bunch of varied colours.
Would love to see the result
I'll see if I can dig up a couple more close ups.
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Yes you can shoot the 44 mag at 200 yards. But it is not consistent enough for me to shoot at deer with it at that range. The animals deserve better than that. If you want to shoot game at that range get a gun and sighting system better suited for it. You want to bust rocks on the side of a hill at 200 yards and open sights then have at it.

The 44 mag is much better as a short range rifle.
Elmer Keith shot a mule deer buck at 200 yards with a 4" S&W revolver. I used to shoot turtles and snakes at 100 yards with my 6 1/2" Single Six.
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I believe the oil was more important than the steel wool. But the reaction with the wool probably added color and and softened the reaction with the brass. The first pic is with a Buck knife that I've carried pretty regular over 25+ years to compare with a naturally aged brass. The other side of the receiver did not turn out quite as organic, as I tried to treat spots in a random pattern.
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I believe the oil was more important than the steel wool. But the reaction with the wool probably added color and and softened the reaction with the brass. The first pic is with a Buck knife that I've carried pretty regular over 25+ years to compare with a naturally aged brass. The other side of the receiver did not turn out quite as organic, as I tried to treat spots in a random pattern.
Those are some great pictures! It came out really good.
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The Rossi 92 has a smooth action for the money. They get a bad rap by some, but I have almost nothing but good things to say about mine. It's butter smooth, and very reliable, and accurate. My only issue is that the loading gate spring is a bit stiff, and the edges of it are a bit sharp.




I started with a 24" octagon barrel rifle, and had it cut to 17". Then I removed that pretty, but painful to shoot curved butplate. (in favor of a recoil pad) Then I added a section of rail to the top flat of the barrel for a Sig Romeo 5 and a light on a Thorntail mount. The bolt mounted safety got kicked for a Steve's Gunz peep sight, and a Steve's Gunz large loop lever, and a facebook group sourced leather ammo cuff finished it off.
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The Rossi 92 has a smooth action for the money. They get a bad rap by some, but I have almost nothing but good things to say about mine. It's butter smooth, and very reliable, and accurate. My only issue is that the loading gate spring is a bit stiff, and the edges of it are a bit sharp.




I started with a 24" octagon barrel rifle, and had it cut to 17". Then I removed that pretty, but painful to shoot curved butplate. (in favor of a recoil pad) Then I added a section of rail to the top flat of the barrel for a Sig Romeo 5 and a light on a Thorntail mount. The bolt mounted safety got kicked for a Steve's Gunz peep sight, and a Steve's Gunz large loop lever, and a facebook group sourced leather ammo cuff finished it off.
Looks like you have it set up as a self-defense weapon? I’m assuming that’s why you cut the barrel down and added the light. How heavy is it and how does it swing?
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Elmer Keith shot a mule deer buck at 200 yards with a 4" S&W revolver. I used to shoot turtles and snakes at 100 yards with my 6 1/2" Single Six.
IIRC he also shot a wounded elk at 600 yards. So what? Does that make a 4" barreled revolver an elk gun? No, not unless the range is kept very short. Maybe 75 yards max.

And those long shots he made were just luck shots. He did practice at long range but he fired several times at that 600 yard elk and walked the bullets in until he connected. Just luck.

Its not that the gun or the shooter can't make a longer shot. Its that the animal takes all the risk. The most that might happen to you is a tag goes unfilled. Make a bad shot and just hit a leg or the gut and that animal will run. And nothing can run like a wounded elk. And there is a real possibility that the animal will escape to die a long painful death. The animals we hunt deserve better than that. I am all for hunting. I just bought a new Ruger American Rifle in 243 and plan on using it on deer this year. But you can bet I will not take the shot unless I am absolutely certain it will be a kill shot.
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Looks like you have it set up as a self-defense weapon? Iím assuming thatís why you cut the barrel down and added the light. How heavy is it and how does it swing?
Don't have a way to weigh it, but it moves pretty good for an octagon barrel gun. Yes, I wanted a defensive gun I could take on my travels to areas not AR friendly... It's fast, accurate, and 9+1 of .44 mag is good for anything inside self defense ranges.
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Elmer Keith shot a mule deer buck at 200 yards with a 4" S&W revolver. I used to shoot turtles and snakes at 100 yards with my 6 1/2" Single Six.
It was 600 yards, but he missed the first 4 shots.
The deer was already wounded.:

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The bare bones of the story are these. In the mid-1950s, shortly after Smith & Wesson introduced the Model 29 .44 magnum revolver, Keith and a rifle-toting friend were hunting mule deer and the friend, who was out ahead of Keith, shot and wounded a mule deer buck on an adjacent ridge. Since the rifleman was making a mess of things, Keith assumed a reclining position bracing his gun arm along his leg and commenced to shoot at the deer with a 6-inch-barreled Model 29.

The first four shots were misses but Keith was able to walk the rounds onto the buck; the fifth hit him and the sixth killed him. Keith claimed the distance from him to the deer was 600 yards, and he was challenged on it the rest of his life.
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Don't have a way to weigh it, but it moves pretty good for an octagon barrel gun. Yes, I wanted a defensive gun I could take on my travels to areas not AR friendly... It's fast, accurate, and 9+1 of .44 mag is good for anything inside self defense ranges.
It seems like the one that you modified would work well for any handgun range.
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It seems like the one that you modified would work well for any handgun range.
"Poh-tay-toe" / "Poh-tah-toe"... but the reason I say "defensive" range over "handgun" range is a handgun typically has much more limited range. (and power) The .44 mag (and .357 mag) when fired out of a rifle / carbine barrel can be pretty damn effective out to 100 yds or so. No way in hell, I'd try that with a 9mm or .45 ACP, and expect good terminal ballistics (or decent accuracy) on a deadly threat. (even out of a PCC)

I call it my "Combat Cowboy Carbine". Now I just need one in a takedown version... $$$
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