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Old 02-21-2020, 09:40 AM
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First Responders do get first dibs on the government's supplies. This is to prevent them ever being in a situation where they feel a need to take anything from private citizens even if they were the type to do so.
It also helps ensure their loyalty to TPTB.

Hence why in CA EVERY anti-gun Bill has a carve out for LEOS. And LEOS are actively against any such bills that don't ensure their protected status.
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Would it even be possible to shut down all the roads into a county in this day and age? The Spanish Flu hit at the dawn of the automobile age when most people still traveled long distances by train. There weren't a huge number of roads back then. I'm guessing there are at least 40 that go in and out of the county I live in. The only way to barricade all the roads would be to deputize a large number of volunteers.
Depends on how much of the citizenry you mobilize, and the nature of the county itself. Also, folks knew one another better in the Spanish Flu days. A stranger was more to be remarked then than now, when a lot of us don't even know their neighbors.
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The only way to barricade all the roads would be to deputize a large number of volunteers.
I imagine if people get scared enough they will simply do it themselves.
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Unlikely, the county we live in is near on twice the size of Rhode Island.

The only true way to do it would be as in some Chinese areas, where they ripped up the roadways & burmed them.
Even that wouldn't be enough given the huge numbers of 4wd vehicles and atv/utv/sxs type vehicles in America.

While the county I live in is bigger than 9 of the States (bigger than NJ and DE combined) we don't have many roads into it. Unfortunately one of those roads is I40.

Luckily there is only about 70K people living in that large area so easy to avoid people if needed.
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It also helps ensure their loyalty to TPTB.

Hence why in CA EVERY anti-gun Bill has a carve out for LEOS. And LEOS are actively against any such bills that don't ensure their protected status.

"...and LEOS are actively against any such bills that don't ensure their protected status."
Yes. IMO this is a BFD. The NZ police didn't just throw law-abiding and fully-licensed* firearms owners under the bus; they at all levels and ranks pushed us further under the proverbial bus with both threats and heavy-handed direct action.

* downunder we are obliged to be licensed as individuals... yeah, I know... but no 2A...)
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Police will STILL be there. They were there when the Spanish Flu hit back in 1918 and all the other flus since then too.

What you will see is a change in how they operate. They will be wearing gloves and masks to protect themselves and keeping their distance when possible. They will be quicker to deploy the tasers or pepper spray to control irritable people. They will also be quicker to shoot hostile people once the pandemic gets to a certain point. They won't be transporting anybody who is sick or maybe sick in their cars.

Police gear will get cleaned down at the end of every shift as will the police cars too. All officers will be required to disinfect every time they come into the police buildings. Guns will be scrubbed daily with alcohol and then oiled down after the scrubbing with alcohol.

Police will still be there only operating in a different way than you normally see them working. You'll also see them taking more reports by phone too. Don't count out the police so soon. They have modern plans for such things as a pandemic. You just don't realize it.
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Most of us don't realize it. Some of us have a very realistic appreciation that the police are primarily in our community to protect and serve the criminal and the political classes (but I repeat myself) and keep them safe from the untrammeled wrath of the righteous.
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Most of us don't realize it. Some of us have a very realistic appreciation that the police are primarily in our community to protect and serve the criminal and the political classes (but I repeat myself) and keep them safe from the untrammeled wrath of the righteous.
It is a double-edged sword. While I agree that the majority of LEO work is babysitting and relationship counseling keeping people safe from themselves, there is also the fear of repercussion that keeps the Boogaloo daydreamers in their apartments and trailer homes for fear of losing their night stocking job at Piggly Wiggly.
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It is a double-edged sword. While I agree that the majority of LEO work is babysitting and relationship counseling keeping people safe from themselves, there is also the fear of repercussion that keeps the Boogaloo daydreamers in their apartments and trailer homes for fear of losing their night stocking job at Piggly Wiggly.
And those same people are all talk and won't lift a finger when the time to act finally comes.

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It is a double-edged sword. While I agree that the majority of LEO work is babysitting and relationship counseling keeping people safe from themselves, there is also the fear of repercussion that keeps the Boogaloo daydreamers in their apartments and trailer homes for fear of losing their night stocking job at Piggly Wiggly.
You sure about that?


Tell that to some Korean shopkeepers I know of....
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Police will STILL be there. They were there when the Spanish Flu hit back in 1918 and all the other flus since then too.

it.
I think what many fail to realize is that in vast areas of the country "they" aren't there NOW!

I was just out shoveling compost into a raised bed.
(Back out at it in a few min.)

There was a pistol in the pocket of my insulated coveralls...
No cops around, nor likely to be.
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You sure about that?


Tell that to some Korean shopkeepers I know of....
There's a guy over on AKFiles that as a young college studnet is in one of the pictures of Roof Koreans.
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I remember videos taken in the L.A. riots. Shop keepers were standing in front of their stores shooting at looters. the police were on hand. The looters were also armed. My hunting buddy's reserve unit was activated and he was in charge of some reserves. They were discouraged from firing their weapons. He told me that some of the looters were given a lesson in military justice though. Never rely on someone else to save you back side.
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I remember videos taken in the L.A. riots. Shop keepers were standing in front of their stores shooting at looters. the police were on hand. The looters were also armed. My hunting buddy's reserve unit was activated and he was in charge of some reserves. They were discouraged from firing their weapons. He told me that some of the looters were given a lesson in military justice though. Never rely on someone else to save you back side.
Kind of like the only two businesses on Ferguson's main drag that weren't looted:

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news...vey-the-damage
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Departments are starting to cut activity. Stopping all unnecessary traffic stops, non-emergency calls are to handled over the phone or through glass in the lobby at the station. Avoid contact with the public unless there is imminent danger to human life.

Some departments are also sending all non-patrol home to be on stand-by to replace the patrol officers as they get sick.
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Departments are starting to cut activity. Stopping all unnecessary traffic stops, non-emergency calls are to handled over the phone or through glass in the lobby at the station. Avoid contact with the public unless there is imminent danger to human life.

Some departments are also sending all non-patrol home to be on stand-by to replace the patrol officers as they get sick.
So I am presuming that looting and theft of other private property will not be considered an "Imminent danger to human life".
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So I am presuming that looting and theft of other private property will not be considered an "Imminent danger to human life".
Our girlfriend just got her apartment burglarized today. She called 911. About 2 hours later she got a return call from an officer who took report over the phone.

She ran downstairs and a neighbor heard her door and ran out and checked the lock. She had failed to lock it since she was only going to be out for a couple minutes. They ran in, grabbed stuff, and ran out. She heard her dog barking 1 floor down, went back up, and they were already gone with her door left wide open. She even heard through the thin walls a neighboring apartment discussing their loot so she knew who had it.

No one was dispatched to the scene.
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Our girlfriend just got her apartment burglarized today. She called 911. About 2 hours later she got a return call from an officer who took report over the phone.

She ran downstairs and a neighbor heard her door and ran out and checked the lock. She had failed to lock it since she was only going to be out for a couple minutes. They ran in, grabbed stuff, and ran out. She heard her dog barking 1 floor down, went back up, and they were already gone with her door left wide open. She even heard through the thin walls a neighboring apartment discussing their loot so she knew who had it.

No one was dispatched to the scene.
I wonder how long it will take before the bad guys in the bad neighborhoods work that out.......
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I wonder how long it will take before the bad guys in the bad neighborhoods work that out.......
These guys did it once, even got caught by her. She yelled at them when she heard them through the wall so they know they were busted. Nothing happened to them. No police came. There were no consequences.

They learned it today. They will do it again.
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Our girlfriend just got her apartment burglarized today. She called 911. About 2 hours later she got a return call from an officer who took report over the phone.

She ran downstairs and a neighbor heard her door and ran out and checked the lock. She had failed to lock it since she was only going to be out for a couple minutes. They ran in, grabbed stuff, and ran out. She heard her dog barking 1 floor down, went back up, and they were already gone with her door left wide open. She even heard through the thin walls a neighboring apartment discussing their loot so she knew who had it.

No one was dispatched to the scene.
Well this convinced me to barricade my front door =/

I live in a funny situation where a lot of people don't even know I live here because I seldom use the front door. Enough do though so I think I'm going to set that up right now.

No worries it's not something I can not remove in a matter of seconds in case of emergency.

I'm not sure I need any extra precautions for my back door since no one ever used the back way out and only half of my building even has access to it.
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