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The LORD is with me, i will not fear. What can men do unto me?

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Calm down guy. The issue with what you're describing is exactly Mad Max, why are you expecting anyone with "gear" to live the life of a Hollywood action hero? Unless you have large numbers of well trained people, what your suggesting borders on the impossible anyways.

I'm not about to pretend the concept of right and wrong will even be relevant in the scenario you're describing. People will do as people always have, survive, one way or the other. The sheepdog mentality will more then likely go out the window when Johnny do good sees his wife and child starving to death.
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Calm down guy. The issue with what you're describing is exactly Mad Max, why are you expecting anyone with "gear" to live the life of a Hollywood action hero? Unless you have large numbers of well trained people, what your suggesting borders on the impossible anyways.

I'm not about to pretend the concept of right and wrong will even be relevant in the scenario you're describing. People will do as people always have, survive, one way or the other. The sheepdog mentality will more then likely go out the window when Johnny do good sees his wife and child starving to death.
I don't see how it's Mad Max. Going off alone with weapons to "Right Wrongs" will get the **** killed out of you and fast. I never once mentioned roving the countryside like a vigilante. I was talking about sticking with people trying to make a living out of farming and trying to survive honestly, those who have prepared and those who have the land to live off of. Being prepared, and that concept of right and wrong is what will keep honest, God-fearing people from crossing that line into piracy. Not everyone is going to indulge in murder, rape and pillaging.

I know I don't plan on killing innocent people to keep me and mine alive. I personally have quite a bit of food and essential supplies in my inventory, and the means to grow food and produce so that I don't have to raid. I'm sure most of the people here do as well, as that is what makes a "prepper" or "survivalist". Like many here, I'm also endowed with a few weapons and a little training so that IF my neighbors and comrades are trying to survive, and somebody comes to kill us and take our stuff, I can do my best to defend everyone so that we CAN continue to survive. No action hero stuff there.

If proper planning and training for the purpose of securing your MAG or community in the most rational manner possible for when the SHTF is overzealous hollywood fantasies, I'm sure more than a few on here are guilty of that pipe dream.
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I know a few farmers who are 'pacifists', in every case due to them dealing with the internal struggles as a combat vet. Their pacifist stance is conditional to living in a peaceful culture. When fighting comes to their door, they will once again fight.

I know a few farmers who have never served, yet everyone of them is armed.

Most farmers I know are vets.

All farmers are armed.

To class farmers as some form of non-combatant is ignorant.
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Can we all agree that lone wolfing will get you killed?

Can we agree that being armed is beneficial to all wether it by slingshot or rifle?

Can we leave the sheepdogging to actual sheepdogs and our active duty/vets?
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Can we all agree that lone wolfing will get you killed?

Can we agree that being armed is beneficial to all wether it by slingshot or rifle?

Can we leave the sheepdogging to actual sheepdogs and our active duty/vets?
No! Absolutely not.
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I find the whole "sheepdog" concept unneccesary and a bit degrading.
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If you watched the whole thing, they eventually found their morals.
Not all of them...As I recall a civil war was about to begin.
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Right on! I am not sure which is more disgusting - self-righteous posturing as a delta seal ninja or being a mall ninja.
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I will stick with protecting my own and letting everyone else deal with their people.

It isn't worth dying for someone else who is not known to you. Especially after disasters. There will be a lot of trigger happy law enforcement and military types "just following orders". I also lived through hurricanes: Katrina, Rita, and Wilma, and my life is not worth defending someone who did not prepare for the worst.
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I don't think there will be a civil war, uprising, or a total disregard for human life. I think most will be sheep not sheep dogs. They will be told what to do by the next POS POTUS and they will do it. Probably be a little bitching but folks will do what it takes to keep the electricity on and water running. As for the 2nd, I would bet that most will be just like the Australians and give up their guns. I hate to think it will be like that but having to deal with society on a daily basis at work this is my conclusion.
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What am I going to do with all that junk your sporting around? Once you get this far out, I will turn the catahoolas loose on you and up a tree you will go. Now once I shoot you out like a squirrel, what am I suppose to do with all that junk you got? Flea markets will be closed. No craigslist. No Ebay. At least you will feed the dogs a few days

Maybe I can trade with those Johnson boys that live on the backside of the mountain. Of course they may have piles of city ninja junk they have collected
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I know a few farmers who are 'pacifists', in every case due to them dealing with the internal struggles as a combat vet. Their pacifist stance is conditional to living in a peaceful culture. When fighting comes to their door, they will once again fight.

I know a few farmers who have never served, yet everyone of them is armed.

Most farmers I know are vets.

All farmers are armed.

To class farmers as some form of non-combatant is ignorant.
Farmers answered the call in atleast four major American wars.
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I know a few farmers who are 'pacifists', in every case due to them dealing with the internal struggles as a combat vet. Their pacifist stance is conditional to living in a peaceful culture. When fighting comes to their door, they will once again fight.

I know a few farmers who have never served, yet everyone of them is armed.

Most farmers I know are vets.

All farmers are armed.

To class farmers as some form of non-combatant is ignorant.
AMEN! I'm a farm boy, coming from farmers when we came to the US, before it was the US.

True to Protestant, Midwestern form, we don't start fights, but we won't get pushed around either. We'll give you gas on the side of the road or change your tire. Perhaps give you a warm meal in a blizzard.

My dad had many guns growing up, didn't serve in a war (his dad did) and didn't hunt (no time). The guns were just a tool. Whether it was a rabid raccoon, a dying dog, or a thief in the night.

Go spook around a farm at night and report back to us. If you can
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AMEN! I'm a farm boy, coming from farmers when we came to the US, before it was the US.

True to Protestant, Midwestern form, we don't start fights, but we won't get pushed around either. We'll give you gas on the side of the road or change your tire. Perhaps give you a warm meal in a blizzard.

My dad had many guns growing up, didn't serve in a war (his dad did) and didn't hunt (no time). The guns were just a tool. Whether it was a rabid raccoon, a dying dog, or a thief in the night.

Go spook around a farm at night and report back to us. If you can
Sure, it is true. For now. In WROL situation, farmers (like everyone else) would be sitting ducks.
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The problem I see with 'sheepdog' is that the metaphor is a simple one.

I have spent a lot of time studying the Bible. Jesus spoke in a lot of parables. Each parable was to teach a specific idea, which He usually went into greater detail later with a small private group. Some preachers will read a parable, and go off trying to apply it to anything, whatever his favorite cause is this week. Instead of reading the 20 verses after the parable to see how Jesus explained the same parable. Parables work to draw us a simple picture of a singular idea. But does that single idea equally apply to 47 different doctrines? No.

Sheepdog is a good solid metaphor when it is kept within that specific context.

There is a flock of sheep, 20 to 500 sheep.
There is a wolf circling the flock, eyeing which one is easiest to grab.
There is a sheepdog.

The sheepdog can identify with the wolf because he is of the same species. He is carnivorous and he agrees that sheep are good eating. But he feels a duty to the community to protect the flock.

Keep the sheepdog metaphor inside that limited context and it works. Do not try to stretch it, it does not work outside of it's context.
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Sure, it is true. For now. In WROL situation, farmers (like everyone else) would be sitting ducks.
In my opinion, most farmers are already in a WROL situation. For the most part.
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The problem I see with 'sheepdog' is that the metaphor is a simple one.

I have spent a lot of time studying the Bible. Jesus spoke in a lot of parables. Each parable was to teach a specific idea, which He usually went into greater detail later with a small private group. Some preachers will read a parable, and go off trying to apply it to anything, whatever his favorite cause is this week. Instead of reading the 20 verses after the parable to see how Jesus explained the same parable. Parables work to draw us a simple picture of a singular idea. But does that single idea equally apply to 47 different doctrines? No.

Sheepdog is a good solid metaphor when it is kept within that specific context.

There is a flock of sheep, 20 to 500 sheep.
There is a wolf circling the flock, eyeing which one is easiest to grab.
There is a sheepdog.

The sheepdog can identify with the wolf because he is of the same species. He is carnivorous and he agrees that sheep are good eating. But he feels a duty to the community to protect the flock.

Keep the sheepdog metaphor inside that limited context and it works. Do not try to stretch it, it does not work outside of it's context.
Of course the sheepdog needs to eat the occasional sheep to survive just like the wolf
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