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Old 10-19-2010, 04:03 AM
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Does putting kerosene in diesel make it last longer. Do I need a certain
kind of kerosene or will paraffin do?
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If I remember correctly, after Hurricane Ivan struck our area a few years ago, people were using kerosene in their vehicles. BUT I think they were having to also use some kind of additive to 'tone it down'. Straight kerosene is not good for especially the newer engines. You would be better off trying to get off-road (dyed) diesel for farm equipment. Just dont get caught using it in a vehicle. Its a nasty high fine if you do. For a SHTF it will work (in pre 07 or 08 engines), the state of FL even suspended the law in our area after the hurricane because we has so much trouble getting fuel for 3 months.

If your engine is one of the low sulfur types, youre taking some chances with the engine using either one. You would be better off investing in a used cooking oil kit. I hear those can produce fuel at less than a dollar gallon.

Edit: Dug this up... $.70/gal versus $3,000. How long would it take you to recover the cost?
http://www.homebiodieselkits.com/hobikit.html
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Are you asking what additives you need to store diesel for future use?
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Are you asking what additives you need to store diesel for future use?
No, I'm being very loose with my English.
Can I dilute my diesel with kerosene so that I only use say 90% or 80% diesel?
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It depends on what type of engine/engines you have ! In a older diesel it will work without doubt and if its a newer diesel of military type like Steyr or the one General electric made for the military humwe/hmmw

But if you have a new diesel of commercial type and common rail tech you can forget the idea ( sure 1 to 5 % would propobly work but its not what i would recomend )

First of all the new type of fuelfilters you have will get cloaked with parrafin ( the old type of filters you could take apart and get clean again with a knife ) Second is that the fuel have differnt energyvalue and if your enginecontrolunit is not programmed ( mapped ) for it , it will cause your engine to work in a way its not constructed for

If you were smart you lay your hands on wankel engine it will run on anything that contains oil or alcohol
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Fuel suppliers in cold areas of the country offer winter mix diesel fuel, which is a mixture of no. 2 diesel and kerosene. I have run it with good results in a VW rabbit diesel and my Cummins diesel pickup.

Kerosene is the same kind of long chain paraffin molecule as diesel, simple shorter by 6-8 carbon atoms. Since it is shorter, it remains liquid at lower temps and it provides less energy when burned.

I suppose you might get into trouble trying to burn it in a new computer chipped diesel engine since it contains less energy. I don't know since my Cummins is 22 years old.
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Modern Winter diesel have a kind of glycol in it instead of kerosene ? atleast where i live

But as said a oldschool diesel can take whatever you throw at it its the new ones that are sensetive

pure diesel ( regular diesel witch is disel mixed veg oil ) anyway becomes something like gel if its to cold

But there is one thing that is called arctic diesel and thats kerosene with a mix of lubricants that dont sc*ews up the pump and filter
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Is the engine you want to use this mix in an older non computer controlled engine or a new engine? If it's an older engine you can mix some kerosene without any problems. You can mix in some 2 cycle oil to increase lubricity.
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they use kerosene to keep diesel from gelling up in colder weather, or they have some new chemical, but that chemical doesnt work as well
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Why do you want to dilute diesel with kerosene? Kerosene is normally much more expensive...

Explain to us a little bit more clearly what you are wanting to do and we will try to help you out.

If you are in a survival situation burn whatever oil you can find, including kerosene in your late model diesel engine vehicle. In newer vehicles with more computers, you will have to have a much higher concentration of regular diesel.
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It works in the winter as it lowers the jell temp of diesel fuel, and also cold diesel is not as reactive so a little kerosene help the engine run normally in extreme cold. You don't want to do that in warm weather as kerosene is not as lubricious as diesel and will tear up your injectipn pump and injectors. So your fuel savings will be eaten up by maintenance costs. Had a friend who ran his VW turbo diesel on free JP-4 for all of three months, cosT $3000 to replace the engine. Drove like Porche till the day it died though.
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Kerosene is simply Diesel #1. You can run on it, but like cranky said, it is harder on injection pumps. Winter blend diesel in the states I've lived in is 50/50 DF#1 and #2. In fact, in the northern Rockies and Alaska, you don't have a choice. In Oct/Nov the gas stations switch to winter blend thru spring. The only tangible downside is Diesel #1 is less efficient (produces less BTU's) so the mileage go down a bit. As far as lubricity issues, I just run Howe's Diesel Treat or Powerservice to boost the cetane, keep injectors clean, lower the gelling temp and replace the lost lubricity due to the Diesel #1.

JP8 and JP4 are also useable, but have even less lubricity than Kerosene, so I can see it damaging an injection pump. The military goes thru injection pumps like crazy in the desert, primarily because everything is running on JP8...
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Alberta had a diesel shortage a couple of years ago. My employer, an oilfield service company found 100,000 litres of summer diesel and mixed it 50/50 with keroscene, they also added diesel conditioner. This got of through the shortage so we could keep fracing! It worked for us.....
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Kerosene is not #1 diesel. It is a different animal. Mostly you can mix kerosene, and jet fuels into diesel in small amounts 10% is a good rule of thumb.
Some engines have problems with dyed fuel because they use an electronic eye to moniter fuel flow.
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For those of you that are interested in different diesel fuels:

http://www.inspectapedia.com/heat/Ty..._Oil_Fuels.htm
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Why do you want to dilute diesel with kerosene? Kerosene is normally much more expensive...

Explain to us a little bit more clearly what you are wanting to do and we will try to help you out.

If you are in a survival situation burn whatever oil you can find, including kerosene in your late model diesel engine vehicle. In newer vehicles with more computers, you will have to have a much higher concentration of regular diesel.
I think they wanted to know if you could mix 50/50 K1 with diesel in a forced air heater to cut cost being K1 is so damn espensive here diesel 2.79 and K1 4.99 that's ridiculous
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Holy necro-thread Batman....9+ year old thread.
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What about mixing a little gasoline with diesel in an engine? (older one)
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It is an old thread but good question.

Mixing unleaded with diesel in an older, mechanical diesel, it has been done plenty. The main reason for doing so is lower the gel point.
You shouldn't go over 10%.

Gasoline is hard on injectors. Like Alcohol is. Use it as an emergency solution, not an everyday practice.
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the problem with diesel is not when it gels, it's when it separates into petrol water and kerosene

because the solid in diesel sinks the petrol and kerosene floats and the water sits between the 2 as water is denser than fuel

this is a by-product of when diesel is stored for a long time...
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