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Old 01-16-2020, 07:59 AM
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I think most of us are fully aware of how bad Republicans suck but they are the lesser problem. Attacking them only bolsters the real problem, Demonrats. Save your vitriol for the left, that issue must be fixed first.
I haven't attacked anyone. I don't mind if you have a different opinion, I'm not going to take it personal and make it my mission to disparage you in everything you post in. If anything I'd like someone explain why I'm wrong, but all they do is **** their pants and cry.
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OK. So you're consistently critical of the right and want to debate those issues. And you're not a leftist, got it.
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This is precisely what I'm talking about. You think that since I'm critical of Trump I must be a liberal only here to spread bull****. Your brain can't come up with any other explanation.

I agree with this post. I will likely vote for Trump (as I did in 2016) but I'm critical of him on several issues. I've been called a "democrat," a "never-Trumper," a "liberal" etc. even though I'm none of the above. I'm actually far more Conservative than Trump can ever hope to be but one wrong move and the name-calling and vitriol flies like poop hitting a fan.
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OK. So you're consistently critical of the right and want to debate those issues. And you're not a leftist, got it.
Not a leftist, but I suppose you could say I'm somewhat socially liberal. I don't hate gays, but I believe in freemarket capitalism for most things. I believe in the second amendment, but universal background checks sound like a good idea. I think humans contribute to climate change, but I don't think we need to lose our minds in a panic. I don't want higher taxes, but the largest corporations should be paying more than $0 in taxes. I believe in state's rights, like california's right to be stupid and I support the people of virginia's right to self immolate. If a man wants to become a woman then go for it, I don't care. A baker can choose not to bake a cake for someone. I think our military is bloated and wastes money. Congress should have term limits. College should be affordable and not a giant burden on borrowers. If you're drawing entitlements you should be on birth control.

Is there anything in here you disagree with on it's face? I mean without qualifying it like "I don't support someone getting a sex change on the tax payers dime!". I bet you and I agree on most of this.
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I agree with this post. I will likely vote for Trump (as I did in 2016) but I'm critical of him on several issues. I've been called a "democrat," a "never-Trumper," a "liberal" etc. even though I'm none of the above. I'm actually far more Conservative than Trump can ever hope to be but one wrong move and the name-calling and vitriol flies like poop hitting a fan.
What bothers is when Trump puts his ignorance on display some people say they voted for him to buck the system, then when he does something remotely normal the same people cheer like he's some kind of genius and that's why they voted for him.

I'm a never-Trumper, I don't regret voting for him because Hillary is the worst. I just wish he would be held accountable by more people at this point.
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What bothers is when Trump puts his ignorance on display some people say they voted for him to buck the system, then when he does something remotely normal the same people cheer like he's some kind of genius and that's why they voted for him.

I'm a never-Trumper, I don't regret voting for him because Hillary is the worst. I just wish he would be held accountable by more people at this point.

How can you say you voted for Trump and yet are a never Trumper?

Do you not understand English?
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I absolutely agree but for the first few issues.
We don't hate gays! We honestly don't care what people do unless it affects others. People are just people until they flaunt their lifestyle. Being proud is good, no problem, but being so proud as to have a parade? Is that necessary? THAT is the only problem! Nobody cares until it's forced upon us. I'm a proud hetero, a proud father, a proud gun owner but there is zero need publicize any of it. The entire issue of people hating alternative lifestyles is untrue accusations from the left, don't fall for it!
Background checks may be a good idea but I'm absolutely against them because we always give a little and get nothing in return. My view is not a damn inch until we start getting rights back. Want universal background checks? Then remove suppressors from the NFA, but no! The left just keeps chiseling away at our rights.
I believe in states rights as well but they still do not supercede individual rights pointed out in our Constitution.
I also think humans contribute to climate change but it's so minuscule as hot even be a problem. Of course regulations are necessary but they should be crushing industries.
I'm exhausted from trying to use my fat fingers on this tiny phone keyboard so that is about it for now.
I just don't understand people who claim to be on the right always critical of the right. Repubs suck but the Demonrats are actively destroying what's left of once great country. The Demonrats need to be the focus right now, not the useless and typically complicit Republicans.
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How can you say you voted for Trump and yet are a never Trumper?

Do you not understand English?
You complained that I wasn't friendly & righteous in my posts just the other day. Maybe you should practice what you preach?
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You complained that I wasn't friendly & righteous in my posts just the other day. Maybe you should practice what you preach?
Just trying to be helpful. Anyone that reads what you wrote will have that basic question. Either a logic disconnect or you don't understand the language.
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I absolutely agree but for the first few issues.
We don't hate gays! We honestly don't care what people do unless it affects others. People are just people until they flaunt their lifestyle. Being proud is good, no problem, but being so proud as to have a parade? Is that necessary? THAT is the only problem! Nobody cares until it's forced upon us. I'm a proud hetero, a proud father, a proud gun owner but there is zero need publicize any of it. The entire issue of people hating alternative lifestyles is untrue accusations from the left, don't fall for it!
Background checks may be a good idea but I'm absolutely against them because we always give a little and get nothing in return. My view is not a damn inch until we start getting rights back. Want universal background checks? Then remove suppressors from the NFA, but no! The left just keeps chiseling away at our rights.
I believe in states rights as well but they still do not supercede individual rights pointed out in our Constitution.
I also think humans contribute to climate change but it's so minuscule as hot even be a problem. Of course regulations are necessary but they should be crushing industries.
I'm exhausted from trying to use my fat fingers on this tiny phone keyboard so that is about it for now.
I just don't understand people who claim to be on the right always critical of the right. Repubs suck but the Demonrats are actively destroying what's left of once great country. The Demonrats need to be the focus right now, not the useless and typically complicit Republicans.
Here's where we might diverge.

I don't think democrats (voters) are necessarily evil, corrupt, stupid. I think that applying those labels to all of them by default make conservative policys appear weaker and vindictive. To me, we should be doing everything we can to explain why one position is better than another without relying on tabloid style arguments. But go thread to thread here, I can't find a single instance where a liberal idea is addressed with basic decency. Which means the thread isn't meant for liberals to consume, it's masturbatory for angry conservatives.

So that's why it seems like I'm not one of you.
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Just trying to be helpful. Anyone that reads what you wrote will have that basic question. Either a logic disconnect or you don't understand the language.
You didn't even ask me to explain, you went straight to confrontation and insult. Maybe I'm not a never Trumper then, thanks for vindicating me.
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If are not a leftists then why are you not addressing these so called liberal ideas with basic decency?
You are failing to see the seriousness here. Liberals are destroying our republic with never ending increments of socialism and destruction of individual rights. THAT IS EVIL!
We are constantly labeled and you are concerned when we apply factual labels?
The more you post the more proof you show of being a leftist. Many of you think you are centrist but you let your emotions control you and end up going to the left.
The repubs are a scratch on the arm, leftists are a gaping wound on the leg. You focus on the scratch while the body bleeds out from the gash.
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If are not a leftists then why are you not addressing these so called liberal ideas with basic decency?
You are failing to see the seriousness here. Liberals are destroying our republic with never ending increments of socialism and destruction of individual rights. THAT IS EVIL!
We are constantly labeled and you are concerned when we apply factual labels?
The more you post the more proof you show of being a leftist. Many of you think you are centrist but you let your emotions control you and end up going to the left.
The repubs are a scratch on the arm, leftists are a gaping wound on the leg. You focus on the scratch while the body bleeds out from the gash.
The audience here isn't liberal, it's conservative. Clearly explaining why men with sex changes are not women would just be a circle jerk. Whats the point?

Just because the democrats opened a circus doesn't mean you have to get a job as a clown.

We're going to become a liberal country within 10-15 years. Socialism is coming and unless we start lowering the average age of the republican voter conservatism will be dead.
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You're not entirely wrong, this thread is a circle jerk, which is why you started it.
And you may be correct about socialism because our youngsters have been raised with the praises of big government and socialist paradise throughout their young lives. Kids these days are raised without convictions, without morals and will give our country away without a fight.
Your reply in the Virginia thread being a perfect example. "Let them get what they voted for." That's what you libs want and expect but what you are actually doing is causing CW2. See you socialist choads on the battlefield!
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Jojo do you own any guns?

Asking for a friend, he told me no real Democrats would own a gun in todays world.
You need better educated, more widely-traveled friends.
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I'm critical of the right because it no longer represents me.
Oh. So...just keep whining, that will help.

Your argument is BS. In your other posts you speak about how the conservatives group all leftists together, and you whine about that.

Meanwhile, you do EXACTLY the same to the right.

You say the "right" doesn't represent you?

Well no freaking duh, Sherlock.

Why don't you apply the SAME argument you use to criticize us, to understand how ignorant that is?

Just as you argued in regards to the left, the right has a wide ranging spectrum of ideas. Much of the right doesn't do it for me either, I despise the Republican party, I think Trump is a terrible speaker and a buffoon on Twitter.

But the right are SO much closer to my ideals, than the left; and Trump is FOR America and capitalism, and despite all of his faults, he is, sadly, the best option we have.

But rather than CRITICIZE the right, or Trump, and alienate them, I argue FOR my ideas.

Because, while some on the right are way off track, most on the right will still think.

The real left? Nope. They are done thinking; the media has them completely controlled. They just swallow whatever they are told.

Much like you seem to be doing.
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Lol, just noticed he/she/it wants more people to hold Trump accountable while the hildebeast walks free after doing so much worse. Lol, what a leftists toolbag!
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=Loves_Chickens;19986926]The audience here isn't liberal, it's conservative. Clearly explaining why men with sex changes are not women would just be a circle jerk. Whats the point?

Just because the democrats opened a circus doesn't mean you have to get a job as a clown.

We're going to become a liberal country within 10-15 years. Socialism is coming and unless we start lowering the average age of the republican voter conservatism will be dead.
That will be a very, very sad moment in history -- for Conservatives; for Liberals; and for Communists (except for the rich Communists who'll have all the power and I have a feeling that won't be you or any other Socialist on this site).
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You're not entirely wrong, this thread is a circle jerk, which is why you started it.
And you may be correct about socialism because our youngsters have been raised with the praises of big government and socialist paradise throughout their young lives. Kids these days are raised without convictions, without morals and will give our country away without a fight.
Your reply in the Virginia thread being a perfect example. "Let them get what they voted for." That's what you libs want and expect but what you are actually doing is causing CW2. See you socialist choads on the battlefield!
Do you only believe in democracy when it affirms your worldview? Elections have consequences. How can you say that Trump is duely elected to people who hate him after that?

I think kids grew up watching their parents struggle because the middleclass has been wrecked. Now they're growing up and figured out that homes, college, cars, insurance cost far more than they're able to earn. It's common among young people to think Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor. People like Bernie Sanders become popular, the book wrote itself.

But ok, people were raised to be useless. All of em, at the same time.
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That will be a very, very sad moment in history -- for Conservatives; for Liberals; and for Communists (except for the rich Communists who'll have all the power and I have a feeling that won't be you or any other Socialist on this site).
It's inevitable in my eyes. That or the country bursts in to a civil war. Either way we're eating rats.
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