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Old 08-15-2019, 08:13 AM
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Bought some TEN (Tenneco) stocks 10 years ago, their dividend payouts have been decent.
$9.50/share and 10.54% dividend currently. Check them out.
Interesting company. What has gone wrong since 2017? You rode the price up and back down. I try to not let myself stay with a stock that drops more than 8% off my buy point or its high during the time I am holding it. In other words a put a 7 to 8% stop loss on my holdings.

It is what it is now and you have collected a lot of dividends.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:21 AM
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Palm, there may be an angle to this you are not considering.

Every stock seems to have its own trading range. Even stocks that having increasing sales, profits, cash flows and dividends go up and down with no obvious explaination.

For example, take the high price of a stock for each of the last five years and divide that price by that year's cash flow. Then take the average of those P/CF ratios. What you are left with is the average P/CF that the market thinks the stock is worth at the MOST.

But do the same thing with the LOWEST price of the year for each of the last five years. This will tell you the average P/CF the market thinks the stock is worth at the LEAST. That is your buy price.

Every stock, including the stocks of healthy companies, has a normal trading range. Find that range and you have your buy and sell prices.

The only problem now is finding the right companies to buy. I try to buy companies with good trends such as increasing cash flows and dividends. Wide moats and good managements are pluses. I use Morningstar for that information.

Good luck.
I like objective number analysis. I will try this vs. my portfolio winners and past losers.

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Old 08-15-2019, 08:53 AM
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I like objective number analysis. I will try this vs. my portfolio winners and past losers.

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If you were to do that for KO it would yield a buy price of around $42 and a sell price of around $51. Morningstar has a buy price of around 39 and a sell price of around $61 which gives me some confidence in my numbers.

Today KO is selling for around $53 which is too high. The P/E ratio is around 32 which is too high. Even if the dividend yield is right around 3%.

Of course, prices are generally high in the market so that isn't a surprise.
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I just invest in Vanguard Dividend Appreciation ETF (VIG).

They are much better than I at figuring out the dividend payers.
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If you were to do that for KO it would yield a buy price of around $42 and a sell price of around $51. Morningstar has a buy price of around 39 and a sell price of around $61 which gives me some confidence in my numbers.

Today KO is selling for around $53 which is too high. The P/E ratio is around 32 which is too high. Even if the dividend yield is right around 3%.

Of course, prices are generally high in the market so that isn't a surprise.
It is hard to find a bargain in a DOW stock once it is known Buffett is in forget it. I have owned KO in the past.
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I just invest in Vanguard Dividend Appreciation ETF (VIG).

They are much better than I at figuring out the dividend payers.
If you are ok with a less than 2% yield cash flow. I invest in ETFs from time to time. Sometimes I like the sector but find stock picks difficult so I will go with an ETF. ETF must fit into my less than 3% yield most of the time. Usually if an ETF has a yield above 3% I can find several stocks within the sector I like better than the sector as a whole.
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It is hard to find a bargain in a DOW stock once it is known Buffett is in forget it. I have owned KO in the past.
Some of the best companies I have owned have had simple products. Consumer staples kind of items.

I have done well with Clorox, P&G, Colgate, etc. The trick is to just wait for the price to be right. And these companies had all traded higher before I bought them. Even though they were healthy, profitable companies their prices had fallen for no apparent reason.

You just never know...

Good luck with your investments.
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I hate stocks and am in real estate, I view my real estate as stock and the rent as the dividend, with my one sided viewpoint I would recommend real estate deed lending, it’s an easy 12-13% yield and your capital is secured with the borrowers equity
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Some of the best companies I have owned have had simple products. Consumer staples kind of items.

I have done well with Clorox, P&G, Colgate, etc. The trick is to just wait for the price to be right. And these companies had all traded higher before I bought them. Even though they were healthy, profitable companies their prices had fallen for no apparent reason.

You just never know...

Good luck with your investments.
I agree from time to time I ask myself what are the thing people are going to buy regardless. Make that list and look for companies that are strong.

IMO now is the time to move to companies that pay a solid dividend that will not drop as much as the market.

IMO any company that is past the speculative growth phase should be paying a dividend yield of 3%. Strong companies with devidend yields below 3% are likely priced at a high premium aka PE. Stocks above 7.5% may have a high yield because the price is too low. Either something is wrong or it will not stay there long.
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I hate stocks and am in real estate, I view my real estate as stock and the rent as the dividend, with my one sided viewpoint I would recommend real estate deed lending, it’s an easy 12-13% yield and your capital is secured with the borrowers equity
Start a threes it should be interesting. I have some questions by they are off subject.
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I like CODI, it is a holding company doing what Warren Buffet did 50 years ago, 7% dividend too.
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I like CODI, it is a holding company doing what Warren Buffet did 50 years ago, 7% dividend too.
Thanks I will look at it. Quick view looks interesting. Similar to BX which I own. CODI's dividend yield is on my threshold of being too high but that is why my 3 to 7% range.

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I'll add Exxon to the list. Not the top energy performer it had been 20 years ago. They slowed down on R&D and it showed. But the past few years they increased R&D and will soon show more improveming.

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Old 08-16-2019, 11:06 AM
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I'll add Exxon to the list. Not the top energy performer it had been 20 years ago. They slowed down on R&D and it showed. But the past few years they increased R&D and will soon show more improveming.

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Exxon is a solid performer. It is almost like a country in and of itself. It is one of the anchor stocks for many large funds. A 5% yield for such a company should not be overlooked which I have overlooked.

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DVY - a great ETF that focuses on strong companies with historically above average dividends. One reason I like this as an investment vehicle is because if one company in it folds, then the prices is only slightly effected, whereas if you owned that stock outright, you would be out the entire investment price.

Now, if you had a large investment amount to purchase all the stocks in the portfolio outright, you would obviously do better, but if you had that sized portfolio, I doubt you would be asking in here...


VZ - I own quite a bit of it. I buy on dips. Has performed well, and is growing. For the most part it lacks the reasons listed to avoid ATT.

JNK - If you're risk tolerance allows, it's a junk bond portfolio that pays about 5-6%. I own this as well.

KO - Who doesn't drink coke? Great company portfolio. Great products. Great marketing. Great name recognition. Great P/E.

NVO - Again, I own this as well. The dividend is listed at about 1.5%. However this is a really good growth company that maintains about a 1.5% dividend. For example, my stock ownership in this company pays about 5% because of my buy-in price and current dividend.

SO - My last one - again I own. Notice a trend here... Unless you think people will stop using energy in the US, I suggest owing an energy company.
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[QUOTE=Im RIght;19719684

VZ - I own quite a bit of it. I buy on dips. Has performed well, and is growing. For the most part it lacks the reasons listed to avoid ATT.

JNK - If you're risk tolerance allows, it's a junk bond portfolio that pays about 5-6%. I own this as well.

KO - Who doesn't drink coke? Great company portfolio. Great products. Great marketing. Great name recognition. Great P/E.

NVO - Again, I own this as well. The dividend is listed at about 1.5%. However this is a really good growth company that maintains about a 1.5% dividend. For example, my stock ownership in this company pays about 5% because of my buy-in price and current dividend.

SO - My last one - again I own. Notice a trend here... Unless you think people will stop using energy in the US, I suggest owing an energy company.[/QUOTE]

JNK: if I was going to invest in high yield bonds I would use an ETF also I use PFF for preferred stock this way. It pays a dividend every month and is where I park large sums of cash when I have not picked a stock yet. So my holding in PFF go up and down.

VZ: if I was going to invest in telecom that would be my pick over T (aka AT&T).

SO: is one of the three utilities I own. The other two are DUK and D. I am not sure how much longer I will hold D. SO is in the best growth electric utility market IMO. DUK is the most efficient electricity generating company except for small ones that only or mostly generate with hydroelectric plants. D is kind of a SC speculation play. It recently purchased SCE&G (very high rates for the state of SC) plus Santee Cooper is between D major service areas and SCE&G. So if the state sells Santee to D then the price should jump.

KO: is a good anchor stock to keep in a portfolio but not currently one of my holdings. The current yield we can call 3% which is at the bottom of my preferences. I do have a few growth exceptions but am always trying to safely maximize my yield.

NOV: I do not know much about but I do not invest in oil related companies below my 3% yield.

Thanks for sharing your picks.
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AT&T..........because they're AT&T.
GE because they're GE!
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GE because they're GE!
Please read what has already been said about GE for your own financial well being.
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My holding in order are:
BX
DUK
PFF (I consider this a cash account)
OHI
D
EXR
PPA (exception to the 3% yield rule)
SO
EPD
BMWYY
MPW
HEES
DMLP (exception to the 7% rule)

Excluding the two exceptions my yield range is from 3% to 6.73%
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Please read what has already been said about GE for your own financial well being.
No GE for me. The writing was on the wall for decades.

I was just making the point, that buying AT&T, simply because of past performance is risky. Disclaimer, I have some T . But rethinking it.

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