I think your reply is mostly off the thread topic but I will play along for a little while.....
It's amusing that you think a reply discussing the (lack of) merit of commercially canned food in a thread ABOUT reducing commercial canned food stocks is "mostly off topic" LOL! :xeye:
My answers in blue
Commercially canned food has some very useful strengths:
1) Lower cost/calorie than freeze dried food
2) Very robust (good for vehicle bug out if you can carry the weight)
3) Long shelf life (longer than the best before dates anyway)
4) Diverse menu - I like the taste of all the canned foods that I have bought. I eat them regularly.
5) Good trading value (better acceptance than home canned)
6) Availability of foods that cannot be grown in your local climate
7) Does not need additional water to eat
8) Easy preparation (potentially without cooking)
And yet again, I am not saying they are the only food that people should prep. I am saying that I wouldn't exclude them from my preps just because I was homesteading/gardening, cropping or had livestock.
I am glad to hear mason jars cannot travel.
I guess the couple cases I drove down to my mother at Christmas weren't eaten by her, the box of assorted jellies my aunt mailed to me didn't arrive, and I didn't drive (over 4x4 roads) 6 quart jars of seafood stock I made to give away.
And I didn't carry a gal of beef roast in a glass pickle jar this past weekend down the mtn and a couple hours away to share for dinner.
...oh wait! That's right... all that DID happen!
Yes it has to be packed.
Or do you keep all your metal cans rolling around loose?
You talked alot, but you (very carefully) never answered my questions, so I'll try one more time:
I'm trying REALLY HARD to come up with a scinario where:
It's BETTER to be a refugee
There's going to be gas avalable.
And/or:
Your not STILL better off with lighter weight foods.
Can you help me out here?
I'm NOT saying "don't eat them"
I have (as I said) a (very) few.
But my, and I think his point was that (with rare exceptions like canned passion fruit juce or something....)
They don't do anything other things don't do BETTER! (IF you REALLY want me to go through your "numbers" and refute most of them I will.)
But again: at home they don't do anything my home canned foods (except the passion fruit remember) don't do better. (Higher quality, renewable container, cheaper, etc)
And if bugging out:
How many Appalachian trail hikers carry their food in metal cans?
Even if you DO have "insert high number of storage space here" AND vehicle spairs, AND a pit crew to fix problems and get you out of there while being shot at, AND a bridging crew, AND various tanker trucks (Insert more absurdities here ) it's STILL an inefficient use of resources. The weight of the food value vs the weight of the water and container.... add it up!
And if you ARE a refugee (defined as loosing your home, with no place to go) carrying the TEMPORARY means to (after a fashion) feed and shelter yourself... maximizing those should be a PRIORITY!
NOT deliberately reducing your resources!
Exclude: no.
Have as a very, very small % of your resurrection because other means of food storage are superior in ALMOST ALL instances: yes.
There ARE exceptions. I'm about to order and then rotate through some red feather commercially canned butter and cheese.
....because there ARE 'A few' things your better off getting commercially packed.
(Anybody got a good source? ):thumb: