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Old 06-17-2019, 12:50 AM
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I don't like it. It is a complete assault on our rights.

However, it is their platform and business. It is what happens when you use someone else's platform.

There will be a landmark SCOTUS case over this sometime in the future, me thinks.
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Don't forget ISPs blocking sites they don't agree with. Xfiniti is one of the worst. They've been censoring words and images in movies. The tech for the video censorship looks like an updated version of what Egypt used when I was there little blurry blocks over people's mouths when they swear, and little blurry blocks over "objectionably unclad body parts" sudden harsh break-ups in speech...

Xfiniti has also showed "We are experiencing technical difficulties" when Fox was showing stuff about the Mexican-US border, Notre Dame, and some other things. But the cable was fine for everything else, and the "technical difficulties" ended when the next story came on

Xfiniti has occasionally blocked access to LCMS, Vatican, USCCB, Polish OC, Premillennial Research Center, HalLindseyOracle, Islamwatch, etc. and webcams in Israel. Usually not for long, and there doesn't seem to be a pattern, but enough to get annoyed/discouraged.

Sometimes xfiniti seems to not like SB

Stuck with them for the time being
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I haven't had a problem with Xfiniti. They are a lot better than my former provider.

I don't watch violent/profane movies and I avoid most of the news. Never had a problem with the site loading for more than a few minutes at a time.

They have pretty much figured out what I do online and send me a lot of targeted ads. Because I come here, I get a lot of ads for handguns, which we can all agree would be very bad for me. Other than that it is fine for me.
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You cant.

They are protected from those lawsuits.

You will have to look up the details on your own cause I don't care to waste my time with it.
I find it hard to believe that any of the social media outlets are protected from class action lawsuits.

It may be hard to sue them as long as they are private companies who can set their own rules. But whether they are public or private, in order to have legal protection they have to follow the rules they post. FaceBook has repeatedly violated its own rules.

My issue is with the clear case of shadowbanning and de-monetizing of conservative channels on YouTube, even when they don't break the rules. Almost every serious conservative channel has been de-monetized and several have been shut down. YouTube does not do the same for liberal channels.

A lot of liberals did not like what Alex Jones was saying, but he wasn't breaking the rules any more than the Young Turks liberal channel, which continues. Jones is a sensationalist who went to great lengths to expose the Deep State. That was his violation. All social media outlets banned him simultaneously. That's called collusion.

The latest de-monetization was Steven Crowder. He was very clearly not in violation of any rules and he claims YouTube admitted he was not in violation. His podcasts are controversial from a liberal's perspective, but he sticks to the facts and debates things with liberals that liberals do not like. They get to express their opinion just as he does.

It's very easy to make a case that shadowbanning and de-monetizations are one-sided. Just compile a list.


HUNDREDS of Conservative YouTube Channels BANNED or Demonetized After Vox Host Complains for 5 Days Straight

For those who do not know, VOX is one of the most Progressive-Communist sites on the web. VOX is behind Steven Crowder's de-monetization.

YouTube Faces Backlash for Demonetizing Conservative Comedian, Struggles to Come Up With Consistent Policy
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I haven't had a problem with Xfiniti. They are a lot better than my former provider.

I don't watch violent/profane movies and I avoid most of the news. Never had a problem with the site loading for more than a few minutes at a time.

They have pretty much figured out what I do online and send me a lot of targeted ads. Because I come here, I get a lot of ads for handguns, which we can all agree would be very bad for me. Other than that it is fine for me.
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I don't like it. It is a complete assault on our rights.

However, it is their platform and business. It is what happens when you use someone else's platform.

There will be a landmark SCOTUS case over this sometime in the future, me thinks.
That's when "socialism" fights back, i.e., gov't regulation imposed to curtail business activity and protect the rights of the public. In contrast is the argument that one should instead fight back with competing platforms. Hence, Bitchute and others.
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If patriotic side would create a media format to use... you would be shocked that their is very few Patriots left and thus no profit in it.
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I haven't had a problem with Xfiniti. They are a lot better than my former provider.

I don't watch violent/profane movies and I avoid most of the news. Never had a problem with the site loading for more than a few minutes at a time.

They have pretty much figured out what I do online and send me a lot of targeted ads. Because I come here, I get a lot of ads for handguns, which we can all agree would be very bad for me. Other than that it is fine for me.

They're even doing this to some of the old B & W movies that are generally pretty tame by today's standards Noticed they censor colorized version of the same movies more heavily

Just another reason (besides commercials) to own or borrow from the library

I'll keep on enjoying the B & W, thank you very much
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I find it hard to believe that any of the social media outlets are protected from class action lawsuits.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...lisher-lawsuit
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Unlike pretty much my entire family, I'm not real into movies. I'll watch a crime drama now and then but most of my free time is glued to this screen.

I like to listen to one song during my workout, it is called Crazy Bitch. It is a good song for working out and I like it. You Tube went crazy changing the title and censoring "bitch" and "have sex, f-word" Other than that I haven't noticed much. But I can be pretty oblivious at times.

I will Xfinity has been a lot more reliable internet provider, no outages, no down equipment, etc. AT&T was so awful they made me cry on one occasion, and I never cry these days. They keep coming and knocking on my door, trying to get me to come back. I don't QUITE tell them to go to hell but close.

My husband loves Xfinity's voice program, the box talks to him and tells him the selections, etc. It also provides video description of some "new" shows which he really loves. With his problems, all he's got is TV and talking books while he lays in bed so that works really well for him.
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When boards are controlled by individuals they can't help it when they ban people who don't agree with them. Their bias prevails. I don't see free speech very often.

I was banned from the Smith and Wesson board, a so called conservative gathering of gun nuts, when I mentioned people getting free Obama phones. There was a closet liberal running the show. I never bashed anyone but was banned for life.
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Honestly its only free speech from the government...
Guess some people want the right to just not be shut up by anyone, no matter who owns the medium they're shouting on. I might not agree with you a lot, but you're completely right on this.

Sure people can say what they want, but the freaking owner of the forum you're using can shut you up anytime, and this isn't a free speech issue. Or do people suggest a stranger having a leftish rally at their home, and because it's free speech they also can't remove those people?
Freedom of speech, not protection from the consequences, and only from government sources.
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I find it hard to believe that any of the social media outlets are protected from class action lawsuits.

It may be hard to sue them as long as they are private companies who can set their own rules. But whether they are public or private, in order to have legal protection they have to follow the rules they post. FaceBook has repeatedly violated its own rules.

My issue is with the clear case of shadowbanning and de-monetizing of conservative channels on YouTube, even when they don't break the rules. Almost every serious conservative channel has been de-monetized and several have been shut down. YouTube does not do the same for liberal channels.

A lot of liberals did not like what Alex Jones was saying, but he wasn't breaking the rules any more than the Young Turks liberal channel, which continues. Jones is a sensationalist who went to great lengths to expose the Deep State. That was his violation. All social media outlets banned him simultaneously. That's called collusion.

The latest de-monetization was Steven Crowder. He was very clearly not in violation of any rules and he claims YouTube admitted he was not in violation. His podcasts are controversial from a liberal's perspective, but he sticks to the facts and debates things with liberals that liberals do not like. They get to express their opinion just as he does.

It's very easy to make a case that shadowbanning and de-monetizations are one-sided. Just compile a list.


HUNDREDS of Conservative YouTube Channels BANNED or Demonetized After Vox Host Complains for 5 Days Straight

For those who do not know, VOX is one of the most Progressive-Communist sites on the web. VOX is behind Steven Crowder's de-monetization.

YouTube Faces Backlash for Demonetizing Conservative Comedian, Struggles to Come Up With Consistent Policy
Youtube tries to demonitize everything. If you're a content creator, there's a great chance youtube has tried to demonitize most video's you made, and has succeeded at demonitizing most for the first 2-3 days, which coincidentally is when a video makes it's most profit. This isn't a conservative or liberal or whatever thing. It's just a greed thing.
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This is interesting. So FaceBook publicly claims to be a tech company and not a publisher. But in order to circumvent lawsuits their attorneys claim they are a publisher.

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But in a small courtroom in California’s Redwood City on Monday, attorneys for the social media company presented a different message from the one executives have made to Congress, in interviews and in speeches: Facebook, they repeatedly argued, is a publisher, and a company that makes editorial decisions, which are protected by the first amendment.
Social media companies don't commission the "work" that appears on their sites, nor do they have full control over it.

I can see individual videos and articles being protected under the first amendment, but not the platform on which they appear unless they follow their own rules.

There is also the issue of discrimination against conservatives, which is blatant and obvious, especially when no rules are broken. That discrimination is not protected by the first amendment.

According to a good friend who is an attorney, they must obey any rules publicly posted on their sites. If they don't, they are open for lawsuits. Social Media probably would be protected if they published tough rules and applied those rules universally to all members, rather than use it as an excuse to shadowban those they do not agree with politically.

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Youtube tries to demonitize everything. If you're a content creator, there's a great chance youtube has tried to demonitize most video's you made, and has succeeded at demonitizing most for the first 2-3 days, which coincidentally is when a video makes it's most profit. This isn't a conservative or liberal or whatever thing. It's just a greed thing.
I'm looking for that long list of liberal channels that have been demonetized, but I cannot find any. If you have a list, I'd like to see it.
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I don't like it. It is a complete assault on our rights.

However, it is their platform and business. It is what happens when you use someone else's platform.

There will be a landmark SCOTUS case over this sometime in the future, me thinks.
And the platform bit is what should be stopping them from playing editor. They are acting as a publisher, which would remove alot of the copyright violation protections they enjoy.
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This is interesting. So FaceBook publicly claims to be a tech company and not a publisher. But in order to circumvent lawsuits their attorneys claim they are a publisher.



Social media companies don't commission the "work" that appears on their sites, nor do they have full control over it.

I can see individual videos and articles being protected under the first amendment, but not the platform on which they appear unless they follow their own rules.

There is also the issue of discrimination against conservatives, which is blatant and obvious, especially when no rules are broken. That discrimination is not protected by the first amendment.

According to a good friend who is an attorney, they must obey any rules publicly posted on their sites. If they don't, they are open for lawsuits. Social Media probably would be protected if they published tough rules and applied those rules universally to all members, rather than use it as an excuse to shadowban those they do not agree with politically.



I'm looking for that long list of liberal channels that have been demonetized, but I cannot find any. If you have a list, I'd like to see it.
These claims will doom them.
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If there is something to protest it's this!!! How are those women going to pay for college?!!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...policy-protest
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I post a lot of patriot and Christian oriented counter-propaganda on Fascistbook, because it's a huge community so the message gets seen by a lot of people. And I get excommunicated by the Zuckerberg thought police on a regular basis (usually in 30 day increments). Quite a few patriots I talk to there have the same experience, not once or twice, but routinely. I have no doubt whatsoever that The Zuckerberg brigades are there purely for the purpose of removing patriot and Christian ideology to the greatest extent they are able, while pretending that all they are really doing is keeping users from being offended.

This spurious lie is easily exposed, since it's easy for anyone using the community to block offensive users, and there are filters available to allow anyone to keep from seeing things they find offensive. And seriously, America is the land of the free because it's the home of the brave; the home of the snowflake will not long remain the land of the free.

From what I can see it looks like these efforts are being ramped up now that we are getting into a political season. Because of the polarization between loyal Americans and liberals every election now will be called the most important election in our lifetimes, and that is certainly true of the one coming up. So it stands to reason that the enemy would use this device as ruthlessly as he can during this period. And I have seen more excommunications lately.

This is a strategy of political, cultural, and religious war. It is an extension of the doctrines of political correctness, that hold the threat of excommunication in the forms of termination and expulsion over the heads of any who might dare to express thought that has been forbidden by the high seers of liberalism, in schools and the workplace.

If we can not sue for this a change should be made so that we can. This strategy of political war has been very effective, because the civil war currently raging in America is being fought on this battlefield, and this strategy gives a massive unfair advantage to the enemy of freedom. If it is not effectively stopped, the enemy is very likely to win its war on America, which means that the utopian dream promised by Karl Marx will become a reality. (Of course we all know that the reality will be more of a dystopian nightmare).

I have contacted my elected officials and asked them to do something about this. And there is some talk of something being done, but nothing has been done yet.

It is common in these discussions for someone to point out that these communities are private property, and the First Amendment only limits what government can do. And that is true, but as liberals like to tell us when talking about gun control, all rights have limits, and that certainly does apply to private property rights. The federal government will not let a business keep people away because of their race etc., even though the business is private property. And private property can not be used to levy war against this nation just because it's private property. Political censorship is an act of war, it is about as un-American as it gets, and it is very destructive of our free republic. So I think our government is well within its rights to put an end to this strategy of war. In fact it has a duty to do so.

If all we do is complain about these very real strategies of political war but are not able to counter them, the enemy will win. And when that happens, the liberal thought police will have real police power, along with a host of new SJW laws. And there will be reeducation centers for those who express thought that has been forbidden by the high seers of liberalism (probably slave labor and death camps too).

There is much truth in the saying that the pen is mightier than the sword, and that truth is not lost on those who seek to rule over us. That's why freedom to have the pen and the sword are written into the first two of our Bill of Rights. So it is no surprise that those who seek to deny patriots the sword would do the same with the pen.

Stopping this kind of censorship is as important as stopping the enemy from disarming us.
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I'm looking for that long list of liberal channels that have been demonetized, but I cannot find any. If you have a list, I'd like to see it.
Indeed, there's not a list of liberal channels which have been demonitized, there's just a list of channels. Seriously, all small channels have the problem. Even if it gets "corrected", they lose the income of the first few days, which is when the video makes it's money. This is for any channel. Games, politics, sports. hell, a random guy making video's about his life in japan gets his channel demonitized. If you'd actually use youtube, you'd have seen almost every channel make a video about it. The demonitizing goes automatic, and if you want you can appeal it, unless you're a youtube paying customer of course .
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