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Old 06-18-2019, 10:55 AM
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I am going to push people to understanding your vote doesnt matter anymore.
Then you are one of the most dangerous people around.

It absolutely does matter. If Hillary had won, you wouldnít be whining about bump stocks right now.

No, Iím not saying the GOP is the answer. But the reality is, they are one **** poor but STILL infinitely better alternative to the incredibly bad choices the DNC offers.

Iím really tired of supposedly conservative people griping about the guy. Heís far from perfect, heís done stupid things, he needs to do some more wall building.

But holy crap. There is LITERALLY nothing we could have gotten that was better out of the last election.

You think you have an answer? Run your candidate up the flag pole.

Youíre convinced itís over and we should quit? Just get it over with and start rebuilding? Sometimes I agree with that idea. But then I remember who I am.

Maybe youíre willing to give up...but my momma raised her boys to be men, and despite people like you, I still love and believe in this country, so even if itís going down in a heap of crap, Iím scratching and clawing every step of the way to try to keep it going in some semblance of what it used to be.

You want to quit? Want to fall out? Do it. But then roll your butt off the road, have the decency to get your sorry behind out of the way of those that are still going.
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Then you are one of the most dangerous people around.

It absolutely does matter. If Hillary had won, you wouldnít be whining about bump stocks right now.

No, Iím not saying the GOP is the answer. But the reality is, they are one **** poor but STILL infinitely better alternative to the incredibly bad choices the DNC offers.

Iím really tired of supposedly conservative people griping about the guy. Heís far from perfect, heís done stupid things, he needs to do some more wall building.

But holy crap. There is LITERALLY nothing we could have gotten that was better out of the last election.

You think you have an answer? Run your candidate up the flag pole.

Youíre convinced itís over and we should quit? Just get it over with and start rebuilding? Sometimes I agree with that idea. But then I remember who I am.

Maybe youíre willing to give up...but my momma raised her boys to be men, and despite people like you, I still love and believe in this country, so even if itís going down in a heap of crap, Iím scratching and clawing every step of the way to try to keep it going in some semblance of what it used to be.

You want to quit? Want to fall out? Do it. But then roll your butt off the road, have the decency to get your sorry behind out of the way of those that are still going.
Let me know when you understand government no matter how much you vote doesnt care about you and your rights. You where sold out over a 100 years ago. Be agood slave and keep thinking a two party system is the way
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Signing a gun control bill passed by the US Congress is bad, but directing AG Holder and the ATF, to conduct a False Flag opperation known as "Fast and Furious" is much worse. Obama was trying to create a crisis to justify a new assault gun ban.

My vote for the most anti gun is BH Obama.
Trouble is while Obama was trying he met nothing but resistance. Was in fact named " gun salesman of the year " by damn near every gun shop I visited while he was in office.

Trump is actually getting somewhere with it and it's because these blind Trump supporters refuse to criticize him in any way.

Like I've said elsewhere it's almost always a republican that gets away with stripping constitutional rights. Look what Bush managed to do. I have little doubt the Patriot act wouldn't have stood a snow balls chance in hell of passing had a Democrat been running the show.

Apparently it's only bad when a Dem carves up the Constitution. A repub does it and people make dumb ass excuses to justify it.
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Just talked to a dealer friend of mine. Says gun sales have almost come to a standstill since Trump took office. Guess most normal Americans aren't too concerned about their 2A rights being taken under Trump. Go figure!

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Just talked to a dealer friend of mine. Says gun sales have almost come to a standstill since Trump took office. Guess most normal Americans aren't too concerned about their 2A rights being taken under Trump. Go figure!

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And therein lies the real danger because while so many refuse to see the forest for the trees, Trump is jacking around with the 2nd and getting away with it.

Honestly our 2nd amendment rights are probably safer with a Democrat in office. Why? Because people that care about that right stand up and fight for it when Dems are running the show

A republican in office and everyone gets complacent and comfortable. They do nothing. Which is why Republicans have any success at all with their bans and restrictions.

This crap always starts off small. Like it is. Bump stocks, now suppressors and silencers. If no one does anything guess what's gonna happen?

Sooner or later it's gonna be the entire enchilada.
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Everything else about Trump, both the good and the bad, aside I think people are insane to trust this man.

There is no trustworthy politician. Let them get away with it and they will take and take. That's what they do. Have always done. And will go right on doing it as long as it's tolerated. By both parties.
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Some of you folks are blind idiots.
These threads are started by liberal socialist saps. They just do it to divide us. They pretend to care about gun control. They get you all worked up about false information and use it to divide us.
Trump is no more threatening to the 2nd.... what has he done? And if you cry about the Bumpstock...then you are definitely an idiot. That component has zero to do with the 2nd
Has he done anything about suppressors?

Oh...he said he doesn’t like them. Lol. Oh well
I don’t like mushrooms....lol

For preppers....you guys are WEAK...
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The video does a dis service. It is giving a spin that is exaggerating the situation perhaps turning off some folks. I don't think Trump is the most anti 2nd amendment president we ever had. To the credit of many posters who made the case, there have been some things he has done that provided a shield from gun grabbing attempts. However, on the other side of the coin the red flags laws are a concern that is spreading throughout the states.Trump is not exactly keeping that shield up to insulates us from it.

The bigger point was hit squared on the head. The resistance is weak. Complacency has set in. The guard has been taken down. That is more of a concern than trying to distinguish between presidents on 2nd A enhancement policies. It's the pro gun owners themselves that should be leading the cause on that front. The politician is merely the vehicle. Again, As I said before on other such threads. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There is room for some pressure. You can put some pressure on your guy. It's been done before. It's nothing new. The sky is not going to fall.
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Old 06-18-2019, 04:47 PM
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Some of you folks are blind idiots.
These threads are started by liberal socialist saps. They just do it to divide us. They pretend to care about gun control. They get you all worked up about false information and use it to divide us.
Trump is no more threatening to the 2nd.... what has he done? And if you cry about the Bumpstock...then you are definitely an idiot. That component has zero to do with the 2nd
Has he done anything about suppressors?

Oh...he said he doesnít like them. Lol. Oh well
I donít like mushrooms....lol

For preppers....you guys are WEAK...
Spoken like a cowardly fudd. Is your golden false god unable to be wrong. Or you just need a maga to cover up that shame
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Spoken like a cowardly fudd. Is your golden false god unable to be wrong. Or you just need a maga to cover up that shame
Unlike others on here.... I know your true colors.... I do believe itís Yellow
We all can see you arenít the sharpest tool in the tool shed.
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Unlike others on here.... I know your true colors.... I do believe itís Yellow
We all can see you arenít the sharpest tool in the tool shed.
Yellow.... yeah I been in combat.... how about you fudd. You like to say we don't need anything you dont approve.
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Yellow.... yeah I been in combat.... how about you fudd. You like to say we don't need anything you dont approve.
Yes I have....
And I wasnít in the National Guard

You know nothing about me....just as you know nothing about ....Anything

I really donít have time to sit here and have long conversations with you .... you are just the average everyday troll here.
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Yes I have....
And I wasnít in the National Guard

You know nothing about me....just as you know nothing about ....Anything

I really donít have time to sit here and have long conversations with you .... you are just the average everyday troll here.
Go turn in your guns you statist ****
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Yes I have....

And I wasnít in the National Guard



You know nothing about me....just as you know nothing about ....Anything



I really donít have time to sit here and have long conversations with you .... you are just the average everyday troll here.
Guardsmen are the first line of defense on the home front, and are always combat ready to defend our nations interests overseas. They deserve our respect and admiration.

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Go turn in your guns you statist ****
Naw.... I wasnít dumb enough to invest in BumpStocks. Lol
They donít want my Fudd rifle. Lol.
Whatever that is...

Once again junior....you know nothing about me
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I’m a fudd, proud of it in fact. I don’t trust him, never did or will. He is useful and marginally better than the clown bus. Not much better but better.

Trump is a footnote. So am I. So are you. I served. Many served. Most didn’t. Niether matters now, we are old or getting that way. We are not the last owners of our guns and like criminals who don’t follow gun laws but depend on us to for thier safety, like the left, we also have a choice-hand them down or hand them in. Fight now and exercise free will later. Thier safety is the least of our concerns......if it’s even an afterthought! Be a Founder and a patriot. We don’t need any of them for that.
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And therein lies the real danger because while so many refuse to see the forest for the trees, Trump is jacking around with the 2nd and getting away with it.

Honestly our 2nd amendment rights are probably safer with a Democrat in office. Why? Because people that care about that right stand up and fight for it when Dems are running the show

A republican in office and everyone gets complacent and comfortable. They do nothing. Which is why Republicans have any success at all with their bans and restrictions.

This crap always starts off small. Like it is. Bump stocks, now suppressors and silencers. If no one does anything guess what's gonna happen?

Sooner or later it's gonna be the entire enchilada.
Well bud, the facts don't support your typical baseless conclusion. Worst and most pervasive gun control:
* Democrat Presidents, Governors, and Congress persons
* 1994-2004 AWB
* Lautenberg
* Blue states run by Dems are far worse (CA, MD, HI, NY, IL, NJ, WA, CO, OR)

Best gun rights are generally GOPs and their states
* Bush - sunset the AWB
* All (nearly all) 13 Constitutional Carry states, and nearly all shall issue states

Worst judges on gun case rulings
* Those appointed by Democrats (Ginsberg, Breyer both voted against Heller and McDonald)
* Those appointed by GOP are the best on gun rights (Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, Roberts, Alito)

Yes, it's true, from time to time a GOP member or appointee takes the unusual anti-gun position.

But to make the statement you made shows a total lack of big picture comprehension. Fixated on nonsense like 'bump stocks.'
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