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Old 06-13-2019, 02:03 PM
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Does Iraq have subs? Don't know.
Do Iraq's allies have subs? Yes.
Who of Iraq's allies have subs that can torpedo oil tankers? Russia who isn't a friend of the USA.

This has the potential to get very bad.
Are you typing Iraq instead of Iran?
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:05 PM
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My guess, as it actually is plausible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:11 PM
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My understanding is these were Iranian magnetic mines. One was reportedly still clinging to the side of one of the tankers. Apparently a dud. Same as used a couple weeks ago against two tankers in UAE. I believe the Iranians are simply trying to see how far they can push with "deniable" activities.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:26 PM
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You know what, I appreciate the observations about this contrasting with Iran's meeting with Japan---

People are saying the same thing on Twitter---

But while I think it's easy to say, it's just not necessarily true that a state never does something that might seem to contradict their ongoing diplomacy, even an ongoing meeting, or a meeting that was going to happen soon.

I can't remember a specific example. But I think there could be reasons to do it. It's just not that impossible. Maybe leaders do it because they're showing toughness. Or to reserve the right to do it while meeting with a diplomat or something. Or maybe it's even, actually, a lack of coordination. Since governments are so big, maybe oftentimes things have to happen like this, even though it may not be a contradiction that the head of state and the other diplomacy people really want.

I'm just thinking the reasoning about a false flag is maybe a "Gotcha" comment that's not grounded enough in the way things really work.

I think I kind of remember times when maybe North Korea did something that contradicted diplomacy that was ongoing, or was going to happen in a day or two. Or what about states like North Korea, China, and Russia apparently launching cyber attacks, or pointing lasers as our jet pilots, or buzzing our navy ships, or being discovered doing espionage, all in the middle of Trump doing diplomacy with their heads of state, and talking about what a great relationship he has with them?

Maybe we even sort of do the same thing. Maybe the FONOPs happen in the middle of a lot of stuff, or near to a lot of stuff.
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Why would Iran conduct a terror attack while hosting the Japanese PM ?

It is a sad day when Iran has more credibility than the US news media, but that seems to be where we are.
WHY WOULD JAPAN send "peace negotiators" to Washington DC to de-escalate the tensions between the US and Japan on Dec. 6th, 1941?
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1) There are things that are a messy game, and that just aren't totally easy for a sleuth to say something dispositive about with a single-sentence observation.

"Aha! But they couldn't have done it, because of who they were playing patty-cake with!"

Imagine if life really worked like that most of the time?

2) It seems that a lot of awful provocations that could really bother you, and really make you think someone's a threat, often just aren't mentioned by Trump, or many other leaders. It's like the President thinks he's sometimes only able to negotiate about part of a foreign nation's behavior at a time-- like just their missile program, or just their tariffs.

3) Iran makes a lot of war-mongering statements, and it's a lot to live up to. Maybe they have to step up to the plate sometimes, or risk their people losing faith.

Some of their latest was that the American ships sent to the area pose no threat, and could be easily destroyed. It's almost amazing that they put out this stuff. It sounds just like Saddam Hussein or North Korea.
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Are you typing Iraq instead of Iran?
Yes I did on two posts.....
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WHY WOULD JAPAN send "peace negotiators" to Washington DC to de-escalate the tensions between the US and Japan on Dec. 6th, 1941?
Save your breath. There's a bunch of people here who are convinced the US is the bad guy and poor Iran is just minding their own business. It's all about the military-industrial complex conspiracy to them and nothing you say will change their minds.
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Here's the live ship tracker if anyone wants to watch live.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...502927/zoom:12
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Well, Iran must be pretty stupid then. \

They wait until we have 2 or 3 carrier battle groups off their shore, just moved in some heavy bombers to a nearby airbase, and ground troops in Iraq. Then decide, to start bombing oil tankers?
And Super war hawk Bolton says "almost" certainly iranian mines? What does that mean? We can't identify a mine definitively?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-tan...-live-updates/

Level of sophistication??

Sea mines??

What??

They have an unexploded mine. Where are the high resolution photos? SHow some evidence and I will believe.
Blow smoke and I call foul.
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Check out Trump's twitter account, including this new Mike Pompeo statement and his words on the PM Abe meeting beginning at 1:57 of the video. He says that at the meeting, Khamenei rejected Abe's diplomacy.
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John Bolton should buy a lottery ticket, he's wanted a war with Iran for so long and now he's got battle groups in the area. Just on cue, someone mysteriously attacks oil tankers. This gets better and better. Maybe they could leave and unexploded mine on a tanker and its got 'Made in Tehran' stamped on it?
How is that, a good enough smoking gun?
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Even IF Iran did this....so what does that have to do with the US? We don't need no war!
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Great pictures, KLF. Where did you find them?
They were taken from the tankers by repair crew, picture itself is linked from a local newspaper's internet edition. Actual source is said to be United Arab Emirates so I'd guess the repair crew would be from there. Article is linked there but you'll want to use google translate on it, it's all elvish otherwise.
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Winners =
a) Israel
b) US oil companies.

Losers =
a) Iranians
b) US tax payers ( down 1.5 trillion dollars for the cost of an invasion )
You might want to add there... What parties are REALLY suffering from low oil prices right now? And who of them has means (and will) to do something like this?

The actual truth may come out like in 5 to 10 years or maybe never. Whatever happens I hope it stays contained in that area.
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Even IF Iran did this....so what does that have to do with the US?
This has everything to do with the US! Protecting safety & security of international waters, vital interests of free flow of oil, allies under terrorist attack, and preventing Islamic ascendancy.

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We don't need no war!
True that! I never thought of war as something that is needed. What course of action do you suggest?
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I have said it a thousand times and I will say it again. We are not going to war with Iran. No one has the guts to get caught up in such an affair at this point in time. Iran will take more power and become a dominate force in the Middle East until the situation becomes untenable. See Iran will end up biting more than it could chew. They will get too Cocky and put the countering power in a position where it will have no choice. Iran will awake a sleeping bear that will push Iran back to its cavern and the world will feel it.

Instead, the US should deal with this menace but it won’t. We won’t do ****...the US should have went to war with Iran a long time ago. The can kept being kicked down the road and now the proposition is too unpredictable. We can’t invade them and they have enough support from the Chinese and Russians to weather an air assault. Plus, overall we just don’t have the will to make the sacrifice needed. But for the greater good we need too.
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What country has void technology to create bombs that explode inwards?
Havn't seen it myself yet.

None the less, that is called an implosion device.

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Although after analyzing the Finnish news story you said the pictures came from, that was last months attack not this one.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:34 PM
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It was either an Irag Limpet Mine, like the unexploded one just discovered
Or a Tin Foil Hat Mine
Just bomb Irag back into the stone age and leave it at that
No boots on the ground
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Just bomb Irag back into the stone age
That would advance their civilization.
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