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Old 06-13-2019, 09:22 AM
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Does Iraq have subs? Don't know.
Do Iraq's allies have subs? Yes.
Who of Iraq's allies have subs that can torpedo oil tankers? Russia who isn't a friend of the USA.

This has the potential to get very bad.



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Old 06-13-2019, 09:28 AM
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One report I read indicated that the tanker was hit above the water line. To my knowledge that suggests something other than torpedo such as an Exocet anti-ship missile.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:31 AM
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Does Iraq have subs? Don't know.
Do Iraq's allies have subs? Yes.
Who of Iraq's allies have subs that can torpedo oil tankers? Russia who isn't a friend of the USA.

This has the potential to get very bad.



As I recall Iraq is landlocked thatís a small part of reason for the Kuwait invasion. They had Karq (sic) island as a oil terminal Landlocked = no need for subs.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:33 AM
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Cui bono?

It would be suicide for Iran to attack ships with torpedoes. Israel or Saudi Arabia gain the most if the US annihilates Iran.
And yet Iranian leadership has threatened attacks. Posturing? Saber rattling? or are they in fact suicidal? Remember, they hope to bring the mahdi and his appearance presages the apocalypse.
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Why would Iran conduct a terror attack while hosting the Japanese PM ?

It is a sad day when Iran has more credibility than the US news media, but that seems to be where we are.
Indeed!
The question remains though; cui bono?
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This isn't good and I wonder what it will lead to. Though the article doesn't say it, the news reported that it was a torpedo attack. Other articles say magnetic mines..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=on
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:38 AM
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Problem with Iran is that no one knows who's really in charge. The Revolutionary Guards might want to flex their muscles while the Japanese are there so they can use that to deflect accountability while still showing that they have the capability to reach any ship they chose to, including our ships in the area.
Last I heard, the leaders in Iraq said that they would side with Iran if the US should attempt any action against Iran. Also Iranian backed terrorists in Yemen.
We supplied Iraq with weapons back when we were training them, which means Iran has access to them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the weapons were tracked back to us.
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As I recall Iraq is landlocked thatís a small part of reason for the Kuwait invasion. They had Karq (sic) island as a oil terminal Landlocked = no need for subs.

Al Faw peninsula Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Faw_Peninsula
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Listen to the Message

It makes perfect sense that they would attack a Japanese ship during negotiations with the Japanese. Especially, since it allowed Iran to be "Heroes" by helping the rescued crew members.

They also showed how impotent the U.S. Navy is, as they could not prevent the attack, even though they have increased their prescience in the gulf.

This is how mafia thugs negotiate, they let you know, right up front, that they can hurt you, if you don't "play ball". Stab you with one hand and give you a band aide with the other hand. That's how it works.

Another good example of this, is when Google stopped their efforts to create a restricted web browser for China, Google's Headquarter in China mysteriously caught on fire and burned. All despots are very clear, when they want to send you a message.

Ship Hit

The picture of the ship shows it pretty much "center punched" and damaged above and below the waterline.

It is possible that it could have been a mine, but also could have been an "old Style" torpedo attack. A single hit from a modern torpedo would have broke the ship's back and likely sunk it. Primitive Iran, lacks that technology.


In a modern torpedo, the weapon explodes under the ship, lifting the ship up and then dropping it into the vacuum left by the explosion. Pretty much a guaranteed sink, most of the time.

The old style torpedoes hit the side of the side and then exploded, although they did have some magnetic detonators, they were not reliable and a contact hit was preferred with older weapons.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:54 AM
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With all the docs in the process of being declassified, the DS needs a diversion. War with Iran would be perfect. I assume we haven't seen the worse of it yet.

Lots of fireworks to come. This should get interesting.
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Just saying that bearing the cause of the damage was a bomb inside the ship there are only two likely solutions.
What country has void technology to create bombs that explode inwards?

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I went and topped off both cars and spare gas containers. Gas was 2.39 a gallon this morning at my local station.
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while the Japanese are there so they can use that to deflect accountability while still showing that they have the capability to reach any ship they chose to, including our ships in the area.
????? The Japanese????
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:07 PM
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these two ships were outside of the normal shipping lanes, and in the same area that the US and allies just did a "mine sweeping" exercise about three weeks ago... but don't worry, I'm sure the "official narrative" of "Iran did it" is totally true... I mean, It's not like the USA has ever done a false flag attack before!!
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FYI Iran does own three Kilo class submarines. Iraq has no submarines that I am aware of.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...edName=topNews

Here's something interesting...the Japanese ship was supposedly struck twice in a three hour period, at least once above the waterline. The second ship is owned by Norway with a cargo bound for Taiwan. Official Iran news claimed the Norwegian tanker sunk. I wonder when that article was released?

I cannot discount a false flag.

There are two American subs in theater - the Annapolis and Charlotte.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...?noredirect=on


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Some experienced people suggest the strike above the waterline on one tanker was an Iranian (or affiliated party) small stealthy fast boat & a weapon like below.

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/rpg_29.htm
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I went and topped off both cars and spare gas containers. Gas was 2.39 a gallon this morning at my local station.
2.11 last night up to 2.39 today here.
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Yeah, follow the money. Who benefits?
Winners =
a) Israel
b) US oil companies.

Losers =
a) Iranians
b) US tax payers ( down 1.5 trillion dollars for the cost of an invasion )
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