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USA Today: Global helium shortage with implications for MRIs, scientific instruments

When you allow billions of idiots around the world to party, and to try to outdo each other, guess what happens...

Articles say the price of a balloon has gone up from 33 cents in 2004, to $1.99 today.

And Party City is going to close 45 stores.

75% of helium comes from three places in the world--- Qatar, Wyoming, and Texas.

Watch out for more articles like these!

Can 7 billion people all live like middle-class Americans? Of course not! It's unsustainable! And yet news sources like The New York Times don't even think it's worth talking about.
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Quoted scientist says it's serious and that party balloons should be made illegal
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Helium is not the only scarce chemical element.

We are having trouble sourcing lithium, cobalt, and several rare earth elements used for high strength magnets. Which means we dont have the basic materials to build the electric cars ww would need to replace gas powered cars. Which means that green freaks like Musk are just **** out of luck..
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Go to the LINK below and read page six (6) (if interested).
It will shock you.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/nmic/mi...dity-summaries

(takes awhile to load, as its a BIG PDF file)

AS a mining engineer (now retired), I have acquired 2nd & 3rd tier mineral deposits of all sorts (non-metallic industrial minerals, precious metals, base metals, rare earths, radioactive minerals, clays, construction aggregates, building stone, etc), because as 1st tier deposits are depleted (through being mined out), 2nd & 3rd tier deposits become commercial.

Having done so beginning about 45 years ago eventually made me financially well set & will almost certainly make all my children, grand & great grand children all into multimillionaires through payouts from trusts title to those mineral deposits are now held in.
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Wait what? I thought you could just create wealth from thin air? Can't everybody just work a little harder and make their own gold mine? (no offense bunkerbuster, I'm sure you know more than anyone the only reason your mine valuable is because other people don't have it) Maybe get the right college degree? Create more matter and energy with your ideas?

Seriously, thanks for the link. Some people will never seem to understand that everything in our life depends on a FINITE amount of resources. Right down to technology we take for granted in the first world like MRI's.

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Which means that green freaks like Musk are just **** out of luck..
Lol....I think you completely fail to understand Musk. He is the ultimate prepper. He could care less about green unless its money. He is doing everything to prepare for the ultimate bug out, and getting the government and the millionaires to pay for it.
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China has been buying up minerals around the world for some time now, as per the established order. What's not clear about this?
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Thanks, Bunkerbuster, for the amazing story, and the PDF. I just looked at the chart. What a situation.

We're so childish about so many things, aren't we? It's common knowledge that almost all the products we use have so many strange chemicals in them. But people aren't thinking, this stuff has to come from someplace--- to keep putting everything on the shelves for 330+ million Americans, and all the other very many people in the world who use the same products.

Yet another issue that puts prepping in a totally different light than the negative stereoptype of prepping.

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Some people will never seem to understand that everything in our life depends on a FINITE amount of resources. Right down to technology we take for granted in the first world like MRI's.
Imagine the difference between being able to do some MRIs after shtf, and not being able to do them? And yet it kind of depends on whether Korean dictators, and Japanese shopping malls, put together huge displays of balloons, to try to prove to people that they're even better than Americans... Amazing...

Can't totally blame men from decades and centuries ago for not being able to foresee this, but wow, what a problem we created by elevating entire continents' worth of people onto the same level as us... We might have never had to share any of this stuff out on such a scale at all...

Doesn't seem like Obama / Biden / the rest of all the famous and amazing politicians ever have anything to say about it...

It's kind of like China or Africa is the panicking, thrashing drowning victim that's going to drown the lifeguard (the USA), along with himself...
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A part of the mineral "problem" within the USA is:

We have always had so much, politicians assume we always will.

WRONG ANSWER

Some minerals can be recycled, many cannot economically.

The general mining law of 1872, gave us enough minerals to build the greatest nation & economy in the world.

Sadly, politicians have and continue to destroy our general mining laws, one STUPID change or regulation at a time.

Economics mandate one mine out the richest deposits 1st. Then the next richest, so on & so forth.

Simply said, you mine one out, you move on to another.

Well, US politicians FAIL to realize domestic mineral deposits are FINITE.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Withdraw vast areas of America from mining, that contain viable huge mineral deposits that America's future is dependent on, is economic suicide on an national scale, etc., etc.

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We might have never had to share any of this stuff out on such a scale at all...
Unless we nuke the rest of the world we have no choice but to share. We couldn't stand against the entire world even if they where all a thousand years behind us in technology.

Life finds a way. Six billion people aren't going to just let us be a shining city on a hill while they roll around in the mud. They will come at is with rocks and sharp sticks if they have too. This is why we pour billions into foreign aid. It's not because we are nice guys. It's protection money. We have to keep their countries just good enough that they would rather live there than die taking over ours.

Heck...it's the reason we have social programs right here in this country. It greatly behoves the millionaires and billionaires to keep the serfs fed and clothed least they someday find a mob coming for them with a guillotine. A country or a person may very well actually shorten its life by not sharing and thus inciting attack.

The problem is that it's only a holding measure. Things will run out, and the last country to run out will be set upon by all the others. If we hadn't shared I don't think we would even have a country at this point.

It's really no different than prepping 101 when you learn not to advertise how good you have it and where it is to non-preppers. Otherwise your just prepping for the mob.

The problem is OPSEC doesn't work very well when its most of a continent you need to hide, so instead you share.
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That would be wild if something like helium was all by itself kind of an Archduke Ferdinand for a USA / China war

Like the one thing that anybody professionally writing about grand strategy neglected to foresee would cause it

What a gobsmack it would be if that's the way it happened to us
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Once Nuclear fusion is in operation, we will have all the helium you could want.
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Helium is a byproduct from oil/natural gas operations and they aren't going to end anytime soon. So while there are shortages, it is not due to the resource being depleted, it just isn't being produced enough.

That said, as some resources becomes scarcer companies are engineering composites materials to replace more expensive elements.

For example lithium is being replaced with carbon composites for batteries and platinum is being replaced with zinc pairing or even stainless steel.

The big thing about the more expensive rarer earth elements is that they tend not to corrode or perform for a longer period of time. If costs goes too high new elements are chosen instead. This is why engineering is gravitating to common elements rather than rare earth elements.
HOWEVER, the potential shortages when paired with growing population will mean that products will not be as available. More and more reclamation operations are being built into industrial processes rather than dumping stuff into rivers. Such as through biological conversion or with nano-particles.

This is defiantly something to look at. Also if they want the helium they can buy it, it is just that they don't want prices driven up. I'm sure if doctors said the same thing about allowing gold to be used for non medical purposes so the price is kept lower people would just laugh.
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Helium is not the only scarce chemical element.

We are having trouble sourcing lithium, cobalt, and several rare earth elements used for high strength magnets. Which means we dont have the basic materials to build the electric cars ww would need to replace gas powered cars. Which means that green freaks like Musk are just **** out of luck..
Except once helium is released into the atmosphere it's gone. Helium is VERY important to medicine, welding and other things to be wasting it in party balloons.
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Once Nuclear fusion is in operation, we will have all the helium you could want.
Nuclear fusion would solve all our problems....unfortunately its been five years in the future for the last fifty years.
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As the joke goes, "it is the energy of the future... and always will be."

Actually, the big ITER fusion demo should not be too far off now.

2035 target date for full operation. (Unleash the plasma!) sorry, couldn't resist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
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And they need to stop letting foreign corporations buy our mining companies...

They let a South African company buy Stillwater Mining, which had the only platinum mine outside of South Africa and old USSR
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As we know, those prepping do have to be concerned with runaway inflation problems...

That said, I did buy someone a Mom's Day balloon. You've got to get while the getting's good.
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That said, I did buy someone a Mom's Day balloon. You've got to get while the getting's good.

And we've also got to be concerned with...... spoilage.

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I, for one, am OK with banning helium balloons, knowing there are WAY more important applications AND knowing helium is NOT a re-newable resource.
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I reckon market forces will solve the helium issue better than any bans.
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