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Old 05-30-2019, 03:52 PM
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Just got an email from LAPG on this. First Ive seen anything like it, and its a pretty novel idea.

https://www.leatherbackgear.com/





Not outrageously priced either, at $330-$400, depending on which you get.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:21 PM
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The idea of a bulletproof backpack isn't new, but this appears to be a better-designed product than most of the past-and-present types. This looks great for a grey man approach, although the default .44 Magnum IIIA protection seems a little low. Perhaps thin Level III ceramics could be retrofitted into the backpack-turned-platecarrier as needed.
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These aren’t new ballistic back packs and briefcases have been around since shortly after columbine. Lithe ability to strap it over your head is new though.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:39 PM
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We'll see a real serious breakthrough with these once rifle-rated flexible armor becomes more mainstream. TenCate has had a technology called "CeraFlex" since 2006 that provides a durable and flexible ceramic plate, but concerns over thickness and price kept that one below water. Some versions of that like the PL-7300 could even stop tungsten (M993, M995) threats.
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The idea of a bulletproof backpack isn't new, but this appears to be a better-designed product than most of the past-and-present types. This looks great for a grey man approach, although the default .44 Magnum IIIA protection seems a little low. Perhaps thin Level III ceramics could be retrofitted into the backpack-turned-platecarrier as needed.
I was thinking the same thing about the protection levels too, and I suppose you could add rifle plates, but the added weight would go along with that.

I was thinking, if you can get an AR pistol in them with a chest carry bag for your mags and a few accessories, it would be a real nice setup for a discreet carry, get around or get home type bag.
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check this out:

The BulletSafe Bulletproof Backpack Panel
This bulletproof backpack panel transforms any backpack into a bulletproof backpack. You can also use it in a briefcase, laptop bag, or shooter's bag. This versatile bulletproof panel uses the same ballistic materials as our bulletproof vest. Place it inside a backpack, briefcase, bug-out bag or even a purse. It provides NIJ level IIIA protection, which means it will stop almost all handgun rounds including a .44 Magnum.

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Our bulletproof backpack panel measures 10 inches by 14 inches and weighs just 24 ounces (1.5 lbs). It is flexible and lightweight.

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I think the novelty, and added plus with the Leather Back Gear set up is, you can actually wear it, basically as a vest, and be covered front and back.
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I think the novelty, and added plus with the Leather Back Gear set up is, you can actually wear it, basically as a vest, and be covered front and back.
Absolutely so. If you can fit ceramic plates in it, than this may just offer an effective compromise solution between the "you won't have a medic in SHTF, so armor up" and "obvious targets are easy targets, keep your head down" camps. Steel plates provide a much thinner, backpack-accepting solution, but you get what you pay for and steel plates have big M193-sized gaps in their threat profile that good ceramics do not.
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Here's a somewhat new type that may well be available in the near future

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...r-spider-silk/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46004861/n.../#.XPBfS-ko45s

It's an old article, the company that makes the silk was on my stock watchlist for a while but it really didn't go anywhere

Haven't heard any of the latest news on them or their products lately

Y'all might keep a lookout on it though
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With whatever of these products you're interested in, make sure to check the ballistic panel for NIJ certification with the following link.
https://www.nij.gov/topics/technolog...tic-armor.aspx
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Here's a somewhat new type that may well be available in the near future

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...r-spider-silk/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46004861/n.../#.XPBfS-ko45s

It's an old article, the company that makes the silk was on my stock watchlist for a while but it really didn't go anywhere

Haven't heard any of the latest news on them or their products lately

Y'all might keep a lookout on it though
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I've been hearing about the spider silk for years now, but I still haven't seen much evidence of it being available, at least to the average joe & then I'd bet it will be expensive.

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I dig that concept.

I use a similar idea to marry my day bag backpack to my larger internal frame backpack when I need to carry both.
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I think the innovation for a "gray man" is interesting and cool. I.e. carry around a normal appearing "backpack" and in SHTF it can service as body armor.

The reality, however, is less-than-likely. Soft armor is better than nothing but in an active shooter scenario, I'd want hard armor. One needs time/warnings in order to don the armor. So that implies mass shooter. Most of the mass shootings with high casualty rates involve rifles, rendering soft armor obsolete. That makes the backpack with two plates around 20+ lbs. Who is realistically going to carry an "empty" 20lb pack around?

So it will simply get stuffed into a trunk or locker. May as well gotten a real plate carrier instead for 1/2 the price.
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Put a plate in a camelback sleeve of a backpack. Done.
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I have a backpack, my EDC, that has a level III 'plate' in it where the water bag would usually be.
It's just one side, but I bet I can wear it on the side the threat is coming from while I unass the AO.

Same pack carries my EDC pistol, so I won't just be defensive if something like an active shooter ever happens near me.
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If you were wearing it on your back only and running away from a shooter than you'd have 2 Level IIIA panels on you back. I wonder if 2 panels would be enough to stop a 5.56.

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It only serves a purpose if you are running away from danger so I have no use for it. Viking Berzerkers often fought in the nude or with a single bearskin cloak. That's how I roll.
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If you were wearing it on your back only and running away from a shooter than you'd have 2 Level IIIA panels on you back. I wonder if 2 panels would be enough to stop a 5.56.

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I'm afraid not. A 20" barrel velocity M193 can penetrate over a hundred layers of kevlar, all while your average IIIA panel is only around 35-40. You need hard armor to stop 5.56x45mm of any reasonable kind.
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I'm afraid not. A 20" barrel velocity M193 can penetrate over a hundred layers of kevlar, all while your average IIIA panel is only around 35-40. You need hard armor to stop 5.56x45mm of any reasonable kind.
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Then 2 panels would be 70-80 layers & if you had anything in your backpack like a book or two, maybe a water bladder, a change of clothes, it might do the job. I know if I was told I was going to be shot in the back with 5.56 ammo, and I could have an option of that pack even if it only had a notebook & t-shirt inside or not having anything or just a plain backpack with not much in it, I'd take the 1st option.

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