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You need ton talk to your local ag extension office. They might even give you some good advice over the phone. Plants can be pretty site specific, and I've never been in your part for the country. They don't bite.
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You need ton talk to your local ag extension office. They might even give you some good advice over the phone. Plants can be pretty site specific, and I've never been in your part for the country. They don't bite.
I've actually had one out here a few years ago when I was laying out the plan I'm implementing now.
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I have to wait till Tuesday (believe I already said I was calling them Tuesday) so I figured i might as well ask/bounce ideas off people.
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Is there any that has a max length under a foot?
Ever hear of Buffalo Grass? Its what grows around here in the mountains.

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Ever hear of Buffalo Grass? Its what grows around here in the mountains.

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http://american-lawns.com/grasses/buffalo.html

Thank you, just the type of recommendation I was looking for.

Even the right time of year.

I'll talk to the agent about it tuesday.
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Ouch. "New pasture needs 50-100lbs of seed per acre."

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Buffalo-G...10090302008005
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Yup and most native type grasses are VERY expensive. Blue gramma is another nice native that behaves itself and stays short.

Around this area intermediate wheatgrass and western wheatgrass were often planted as soil cover. They are grown commercially and are much cheaper, but they will get around 18" high. Crested wheat is often used but it grows in clumps gets about 18-24" high, and can make the area pretty bumpy when the wind erodes between the clumps.

My knowledge is ancient it was a LOONG time ago when I worked with land rehab.
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I visited Caney Mountain a few weeks ago.

https://nature.mdc.mo.gov/discover-n...ey-mountain-ca

MO Department of Conservation planted what I believe to be, Red Clover in all the fields. Really pretty - plus edible for wildlife and humans.


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County detention agent was less than useless. (When they finally returned my phone calls)

Am having soil samples analyzed, so that's something.


so I called around. A different county's agent helped me, he called some experts.

Basically buffalo grass is the best bet. Ken 31 Fescue is basically the second. But but it grows far too tall.
apparently clover isn't good for an orchard as it'll draw in too many insects.

I'll be shopping around this weekend and order monday.
(also accepting recomendations)

Many thanks, y'all came up with Buffalo grass, the county agents who's job it is did not until I pointed it out (Then they checked and it should grow well here.)
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both clovers? as in there is a red clover and a white clover ,,,the white tends to stay smaller and honey bees prefer it to red
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apparently clover isn't good for an orchard as it'll draw in too many insects
Do you mean it draws too many HARMFUL insects?

Because if you mean it draws too many pollinators, that can only be a good thing. Pollinators flying in the air will see a clover field from far away, and will be drawn in toward it. Some of them will undoubtedly be also attracted to the nearby fruit trees. This is pretty much a staple of permaculture.

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both clovers? as in there is a red clover and a white clover ,,,the white tends to stay smaller and honey bees prefer it to red
Yeah I can't count the number of times I stepped on white clover in the lawn as a kid, barefoot, and got stung by the little little honey bee just doing it's job. But I think red clover is more popular as field clover.

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Do you mean it draws too many HARMFUL insects?

Because if you mean it draws too many pollinators, that can only be a good thing. Pollinators flying in the air will see a clover field from far away, and will be drawn in toward it. Some of them will undoubtedly be also attracted to the nearby fruit trees. This is pretty much a staple of permaculture.

red clover I could see it over loading with insects a solid stand of red can be feet tall and so dense its tough to mow with a mow board ,,,almost need a hay bind, bumble bees love red clover ,,,honey bees will work it given little other options

Yeah I can't count the number of times I stepped on white clover in the lawn as a kid, barefoot, and got stung by the little little honey bee just doing it's job. But I think red clover is more popular as field clover.

in his post honey bees were something he is doing or was looking to add to his place,so might as well give them a better feed to work ,,,and white makes a good cover that tends to stay smaller than red and if you are seeding a area to start no reason it cant be white...I imagine most fields are red for cheaper seed and more production of hay per acre

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