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I'm considering investing in a .38/.357 lever gun, (got my eye on the Henry H012MR, 16.5" barrel). I'm more of a plinker than a hunter, but I wanted to know... if SHTF or Zombie apocalypse happened what kind of game in FL could I expect to take with that caliber rifle?

The reason I'm looking at the caliber is because I own a couple of Model 10's and have the ammo. I also have a .22lr in pistol and Henry rifle (which I love).

I have shot .357 magnum before out of a Ruger 5" and while recoil was manageable, even with double earplugs in, my ears were ringing for days. I cleared out the stalls next to me at the outdoor range when I started shooting. So, yeah, I don't want to experience that kind of pain in my ears again.

So unless the .357 in a lever is quieter than a revolver, I will be primarily shooting .38's and +P's.

I'm shooting half-dollar shots with the .22lr rifle at 50 yards. My model 10 is shooting the target hanger at 50 (not the target) which is about a man-sized torso.

But back to my main question, what kind of game in FL and how far out can I expect to take an animal if I need to with a .38+P in a rifle?
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I have an Italian reproduction Winchester 1892 in 357 and a Smith and Wesson 586 Six inch barrel revolver.
The 357 Mag is an absolute pleasure to shoot out of both! noise of the 357 is deffinatly louder but recoil is not really much more than a 38 special +P in the 586, and the 1892 well it recoils like a pop gun! but that could be because of the 20 inch octagon barrel adding some weight and balance.

I had a 44 mag Winchester 94, but sold it off because the 357 1892 was just a better shooter and just a beautiful rifle. and I also sold of my Winchester 94 in 3030 because my Marlin 336 3030 is a smother action and more accurate.
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A a general matter, there is nothing on earth that could not be killed with a .357 magnum
In a rifle, the .357 magnum will be good out to 100 yards or more
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Florida deer would be taken easily with a .357 carbine.
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I have a winchester 94 in 357. Overall it is a good gun. I prefer bolt action rifles. I bought a Ruger 77 when they became available. I hunt with the ruger alot. the winchester sits by the back door. I have shot ground squirrels and wild boar with the 357. the lever has shot squirrels and euthanized a horse. If you reload the 357 it is a very versatile round. If you are lever person, buy the rifle. If I had to vote for one lever it would be the winchester. I added a peep with twilight ring and a fire sight to ming
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I have an older Rossi Model 92 in 357.
To your question, in FL, anything can be killed with a 357 carbine. Two legs, four legs, whatever. A big black bear might take more than one shot, but I think you can take one of the Herpes monkeys in Ocala with one shot... if you can hit it.

The Henry is nice, but I'm off of the Henry's due to no loading gate. Having to unscrew the magazine end and load that way seems inefficient to me. YMMV, of course.

Whichever one you get, enjoy it. It's a very versatile platform, and with mild 38's makes a great learning gun for kids and smaller women.
Load it with some stout magnums (Buffalo Bore makes some great ones) and you have a very useful hunting/SD gun.
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Get some good quality Electronic Earmuffs, they have come down in price the past few years. (Mine are Peltor’s.) As far as a .357 rifle, hard to go wrong with a Marlin 1894C.
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Deer, pigs, bear, gator.... Stock some .357's

+1 on peltors I keep some clipped in the mag of my "grab and go" AK.
They not only protect your hearing but help you hear "mo-better"
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everything is going to be quieter out of a longer barrel, thats just how the physics of it work, but youre not going to get a 357 mag quiet enough out of a lever action to not need hearing protection
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I have a Rossi 92 357 16" barrel and it's a great rifle. It was a little rough when I got it and needed some lube and break in time, but it slicked up nice and shoots great.
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I'd be comfortable at 75-100 yard with a .357 carbine. I don't see that distance as a deficit rather an opportunity to practice stalking skills. The muzzle blast from a carbine is less noticeable that that of a handgun...Although it's still very much there and and as such ear protection is necessary...
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Back when I was responsible for my young family, I used a Marlin .357 rifle (along with a .357 revolver) for almost everything. Deer, some over 200 pounds - some over 150 yards, and a few bear (biggest about 300 lbs.) out to 125 yards. No recoil from a rifle of course, and once we got older with a better income, my wife took it as I moved up to bigger calibers more suited to the elk I began pursuing.

My main two long guns were the Marlin in .357 and a Savage M24 in .357/20. The Savage had a Williams receiver sight, while the Marlin was my 'long range' rifle with a nice 4X Leupold.
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I'd be comfortable at 75-100 yard with a .357 carbine. I don't see that distance as a deficit rather an opportunity to practice stalking skills. The muzzle blast from a carbine is less noticeable that that of a handgun...Although it's still very much there and and as such ear protection is necessary...
oh, id say a 357 from a rifle can do way more than that, i can consistently hit at 200 with a 45acp carbine, a 357 should be even easier
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I'm no expert,but live in Fl.,the bears I see are smaller here,I guess it would work just fine.I've seen that gator hunter show and a .22 mag kills them just fine.

..but...

There is a current thread on here.Cop shoots a 5# chiauha(ankle biter) point blank in the face,and it survived with a broken jaw,so theres that.
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I love my Henry .357... with the right Buffalo Bore ammo, you can down anything in FL out to 125 yards.
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Excellent info! Thank you guys and girls for responding. It's helped me make a decision to get one. Seems like a great companion to my model 10, and if I need the bigger caliber, the .357 is there for taking meat.
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Its also on my "just one more gun"list
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Honestly, take care of your ears. I made the mistake of firing my .45 automatic pistol without hearing protection when I was overseas (Army weapons qualification, forgot my earplugs) and I was deaf for the rest of the day. This causes permanent hearing damage.

Electronic hearing protection (I prefer the earmuffs) is the way to go. As Nomad, 2nd pointed out they actually amplify the smaller sounds, so you can easily hear range commands (and believe me, no one could ever approach you from behind without you hearing it).
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I damaged my ears years ago playing electric guitar. So I definitely don't want any more ringing, clicking, or crickets in my head.
After shooting the .357 mag in the ruger (ear muffs only) I've been using outer ear muffs stuffed with extra sponge, and inner ear plugs for the .38's and my 22's. The combo has tamed the .38 a lot... we'll see how that .357 in the rifle sounds. That thing in the revolver was like a concussive whack to both ears, even with the muffs on. But I will look into the peltor electronic muffs. I've always had sensitive hearing... even ambulance and cop sirens hurt.

This is going to be my "one more gun". lol We'll see how that goes!
Thanks again y'all.
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oh, id say a 357 from a rifle can do way more than that, i can consistently hit at 200 with a 45acp carbine, a 357 should be even easier

I like your optimism, I tend to err on the side of caution in my assessment of the useful range of a .357 carbine. While I've made some pretty amazing shots with a .357 carbine, I find 75-100 yards to be both the practical and effective range.


Over the years I've put a lot of meat on the table. While I've made a long shot or two, truth be told most of my shots on game were around a hundred yards often less. The .357 is a versatile cartridge yet it has it's limitations.
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