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China knows what is coming and now we know why they are buying millions of acres of land in Africa.
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If the truth came out the D's would be wrecked. So the MSM keeps a lid on it.
I would not be too hard on the media types.

They never studied advanced physics, historical geology, vibrational analysis, or mathamatical model making.

In other words, the media does not poses the education or skill set to verify the claims of climate scientists.

Of course the climate scientists never studied advanced physics, historical geology, vibrational analysis, or mathamatical model making either.

Not real science.
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I have been looking around and can't find anything on this. Could you provide a link?
If the Lesser Dryas can be classified as a solar minima, then the megafaunal extinction that occurred in North America at that time might be called a mass extinction.
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I would not be too hard on the media types.

They never studied advanced physics, historical geology, vibrational analysis, or mathamatical model making.

In other words, the media does not poses the education or skill set to verify the claims of climate scientists.

Of course the climate scientists never studied advanced physics, historical geology, vibrational analysis, or mathamatical model making either.

Not real science.
A large percentage of those claiming to be climate scientists have economic degrees.
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Global crop failures and difficulties due to variable weather https://electroverse.net/category/crop-loss/
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A little more involved than cow farts and suv's. Planetary influence on our solar output. No co2 involved. http://www.landscheidt.info/
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NASA has a new daily measurement of solar activity in the upper atmosphere pretty much shows cooling up there no global warming. http://spaceweather.com/
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Here is a long term chart of solar activity. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/...olar-activity/

I see several periods where very low solar activity correlate with sudden cold periods during thru history.
Variations in CO2 don't correlate with climate history at all.
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If there is any takeaway from all this, we should be happy that we had the weakest solar cycle this year of the last 24 years (since records have been kept really) ..... as it is actually a little scary to think what it would be like as a strong solar cycle with even warmer temps, more powerful hurricanes, things should in fact progressively get worse over the next 6 years. This is the bottom end of the sun cycle. In terms of melt and global temps, we should have some record breaking years over the next 6 years. This is suppose to be a pretty cold winter.. .but again it is the bottom end of the 11 year solar cycle so things should be heating up progressively each year.


As for mini ice age, we'll it would be a good thing but it wouldn't stop climate change unfortunately..

https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448

It would take a mini ice age to offset global warming caused by climate change.

"Peer-reviewed research, physics, and math all tell us that a grand solar minimum would have no more than a 0.3C cooling effect, barely enough to put a dent in human-caused global warming." Temperature has gone up 0.8C since 1880. That wouldn't even bring it back down to premodern levels. Sadly we are looking at a 0.3C temperature INCREASE each decade ongoing, and increasing more as time goes on as the atmosphere changes and energy output on earth producing heat increases, and the terrestrial - particularly water based ability to sink heat is lost and more of it enters the atmosphere.

Since there is no real effort to stop climate change we are all but assured to have temperature increases even if there is a prolonged solar minimum due to atmosphere changes, and the loss of reflective ice cover and a bunch of other factors.
This may be helpful however in event of nuclear winter, perhaps the only thing to stop climate change. People may eventually ralize the only way to save humanity is to wipe it out. People aren't that effected yet though.

That said, the take away point is, I wouldn't be worried about a prolonged solar minimum.


We need to stay grounded with the real threat --- temperature increase


https://e360.yale.edu/digest/a-north...global-warming



https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/o...-y/1646295002/


I'm not the first one to say it, and it is only so long until there are benefits from it
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...limate-change/

If the planet can't cooperate then within about 10 to 20 years this will be a solution to REDUCE damage to the planet and humanity.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/c...nada-1.4878263
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A 0.8 degree increase in temperature is NOTHING, and 0.3 degrees per decade is a MASSIVE exaggeration and activists, not scientists, have simply lied about the scale of it. 0.1 degree per decade, maybe, and we'll be out of fossil fuels before we reach 2 degrees. Even if it were 0.3 degrees per decade it wouldn't be affecting things even close to the scale on which you've been told by activists who've completely inflated what the objective scientists have discovered. Within recorded human history we've had temperature spikes of 2 or 3 degrees warmer about as fast as we're getting a 1 degree increase and it has coincided with historical booms in human civilization and animal biology. No mass extinctions, no apocalypse. Yes there's a global warming effect, no it's not a large enough amount of warming to make any significant difference. We're talking about a few percent increase in extreme weather events like hurricanes and droughts for your great grandchildren, then fossil fuels run out and CO2 levels begin to drop. The increase in disaster and preparedness expenses isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to the costs of eliminating CO2 emissions, and most of those costs aren't even avoidable at this point which means you'd leave yourself completely unable to pay those costs and far worse off than if you'd done nothing at all.

At worst you might shift growing zones by 1 or 2 zones at the absolute peak of global warming long after you're dead. All that does is change what crops can be grown where, and overall its a net increase in crop output. Animals may migrate slightly more away from the equator too. So, at the peak, you may see armadillos in Iowa. That's pretty much it.

Half the effect is already going to happen even if you cut all CO2 emissions right this minute. So to make a tiny difference, you're going to collapse human civilization? The only way you're going to do it without collapsing human civilization requires such a gradual shift that you're going to run out of fossil fuels before then regardless making it completely pointless.

The only way in which an ice age is preferable to the current global warming is if your goal is solely to eliminate traces of humanity from the planet. This requires application of a Naturalist Fallacy. The concept that anything non-human is inherently good, and anything human is inherently bad. Thus any impact that humans have is intolerable regardless of the actual consequences of that impact. This is a common belief and one that quickly and easily turns someone to exaggerations and little white lies to get rid of those impacts when they're not objectively bad enough to justify it.
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If there is any takeaway from all this, we should be happy that we had the weakest solar cycle this year of the last 24 years (since records have been kept really) ..... as it is actually a little scary to think what it would be like as a strong solar cycle with even warmer temps, more powerful hurricanes, things should in fact progressively get worse over the next 6 years. This is the bottom end of the sun cycle. In terms of melt and global temps, we should have some record breaking years over the next 6 years. This is suppose to be a pretty cold winter.. .but again it is the bottom end of the 11 year solar cycle so things should be heating up progressively each year.


As for mini ice age, we'll it would be a good thing but it wouldn't stop climate change unfortunately..

https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448

It would take a mini ice age to offset global warming caused by climate change.

"Peer-reviewed research, physics, and math all tell us that a grand solar minimum would have no more than a 0.3C cooling effect, barely enough to put a dent in human-caused global warming." Temperature has gone up 0.8C since 1880. That wouldn't even bring it back down to premodern levels. Sadly we are looking at a 0.3C temperature INCREASE each decade ongoing, and increasing more as time goes on as the atmosphere changes and energy output on earth producing heat increases, and the terrestrial - particularly water based ability to sink heat is lost and more of it enters the atmosphere.

Since there is no real effort to stop climate change we are all but assured to have temperature increases even if there is a prolonged solar minimum due to atmosphere changes, and the loss of reflective ice cover and a bunch of other factors.
This may be helpful however in event of nuclear winter, perhaps the only thing to stop climate change. People may eventually ralize the only way to save humanity is to wipe it out. People aren't that effected yet though.

That said, the take away point is, I wouldn't be worried about a prolonged solar minimum.


We need to stay grounded with the real threat --- temperature increase


https://e360.yale.edu/digest/a-north...global-warming



https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/o...-y/1646295002/


I'm not the first one to say it, and it is only so long until there are benefits from it
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...limate-change/

If the planet can't cooperate then within about 10 to 20 years this will be a solution to REDUCE damage to the planet and humanity.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/c...nada-1.4878263
The Greatest Hoax ever played on the SHEEP. The Paris Accord is pure Green Communism 90-100 Trillion in wealth transfers from the Western Nations to the Rest of the world all too pass through the very sticky fingers of various Globalist Organizations all unelected. But it is at an end.
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I think we will know the effect of climate change in just about 2 years time.

I still think we will be getting bigger storms instead of seeing a major temperature swing.

While the science is beyond my knowledge and the sources of information that are available tend to be biased, we ARE seeing a reduction of sunspots (meaning more storms) and we ARE seeing slightly warmer temperatures: whether man made or nature made. Heat and storms can feed each other.

I do not see global SHTF here, but I am very glad that I do not live where hurricanes are common. While I do live in tornado alley, tornados generally hit the OTHER guys house, while hurricanes hit everybody

We may have some lively times over the next 2 years.
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I think we will know the effect of climate change in just about 2 years time.

I still think we will be getting bigger storms instead of seeing a major temperature swing.

While the science is beyond my knowledge and the sources of information that are available tend to be biased, we ARE seeing a reduction of sunspots (meaning more storms) and we ARE seeing slightly warmer temperatures: whether man made or nature made. Heat and storms can feed each other.

I do not see global SHTF here, but I am very glad that I do not live where hurricanes are common. While I do live in tornado alley, tornados generally hit the OTHER guys house, while hurricanes hit everybody

We may have some lively times over the next 2 years.
NWS data shows tornado size and frequency is decreasing.
Hurricane size and frequency is decreasing as well.
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NWS data shows tornado size and frequency is decreasing.
Hurricane size and frequency is decreasing as well.
Tornado season is not until next spring, and hurricane season is not yet over.

Also I would expect the problem to be seen most strongly in 2 years time, when the lack of sunspots will have a stronger effect on the weather than it does now.
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NWS data shows tornado size and frequency is decreasing.
Hurricane size and frequency is decreasing as well.
Yep - Who would've thunk it?

The weather is changing all the time, day to day, month to month, season to season, year to year, decade to decade, century to century, millennium to millennium, epoch to epoch, etc, etc.

Always has.....always will.

It is great fodder for 24 hour news services, greenies and those who love/need a bandwagon to jump on.
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The GloBull Warming Religion has a whole generation or so of sheep, who refuse to think and analyze things for themselves. The facts are there in the geological record going back thousands of years not just the data from the last 100 years like AGW Church preaches. The fact that the Paris Accord alone demands 100Trillion dollars from the west to be redistributed by various sticky fingered unelected Globalist Organizations around the world should set off alarm bells for anyone with the ability to reason. The total wealth of every man, woman and child and business of the whole earth is only 50 Trillion dollars. It was much much warmer during the Medieval Warm Period when the Vikings sailed in open boats into the Canadian Arctic to trade with the Pre Inuit people who are there today. The Viking Artifacts are in the Museums in Ottawa Canada for those who want to research. They estimate the Arctic was 6-7F warmer at that period. And gee the world survived. But guess what it got cold again, the Maunder Minimum came along and they had to abandon the Arctic and even Greenland. The earth according to the geological record spends more years freezing than warming, the warming periods are a blessing to all. The sheep raise their heads then continue to graze.
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Two graphs showing how civilizations rose and fell with the solar minimums. A lot of history not just Al Gore's version of the last 100 years.
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The Greatest Hoax ever played on the SHEEP. The Paris Accord is pure Green Communism 90-100 Trillion in wealth transfers from the Western Nations to the Rest of the world all too pass through the very sticky fingers of various Globalist Organizations all unelected. But it is at an end. Wagner - Gotterdammerung (Twilight of the Gods) Full - YouTube
Mate I'm not some ignorant red neck climate change denier, I've been following and reading on this for well over a decade now, following it on a weekly and daily basis. I've been reading report after report after report. You got to be a total moron or have your head in the sand to actually claim climate change is a hoax. I won't just trash talk you for a paragraph or two here, but I recommend you do some research and save the world another person who is blindly ignorant of abundantly clear climate data, and massive, massive massive environmental changes around the world.

I'd just be yelling at you at this point so I will just stop there. (It really does illicit hate) If its not intentional please educate yourself, if it is, go back to the hole you came from.

I've studies some arctic history and I am not blindly ignorant to what is going on in the world. Please educate yourself from .edu content not youtube. You know from academia, real scientists, not goofs on youtube.

At a baseline, these guys are rocket scientists.. if you can't believe harvard and columbia atleast belive people who went to the moon.. but let me geuss, you still think the earth is flat cause some guy on the internet said it was flat.


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http://environment.harvard.edu/news/...inute-warnings


"We ignore the worst estimates of climate change — catastrophic warming topping 4 or 6 degrees Celsius — at our peril, says economist Martin Weitzman.

Climate change’s uncertainty — a product of the complexity of the natural systems involved and the vagaries of human efforts at mitigation — have led not to precise forecasts of future warming, but rather a range of likely temperature increases.

Discussion of the effects of climate change that would be classified as difficult — but manageable — are cited so routinely that the upper end is too often forgotten, even though the warming at that level would be catastrophic, notes economist Martin Weitzman.

Weitzman said that the middle values of that range — in which effects would be difficult, but manageable — are cited so routinely that the upper end is too often forgotten, even though the warming at that level would be catastrophic and the chances are not negligible. Under optimistic scenarios of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, there is a 10 percent chance that warming will top 4 degrees Celsius and a 3 percent chance it will top 6 degrees, he said.

Weitzman offered his perspective in a five-minute video, part of the Center for the Environment project “Harvard Speaks on Climate Change.” Thirty-five videos, featuring Harvard experts in science, business, law, health, economics, engineering, public policy, design, and the arts, have been assembled over the last year and a half as a resource for members of the public who want to learn more about climate change."




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