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For a 'heavy' rifle....(cartridges larger than you can feed in an AR-15) Do you think there is any practical reason to have a scoped, bolt action, mag fed rifle instead of an AR-10 pattern rifle in the same caliber, optic and capacity?

Does that bolt action rifle have any advantages whatsoever in the SHTF setting?
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They are generally considered more accurate.
And the big thing to consider, right now no one is trying to take bolt action rifles away....
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Outside of state laws and scared people, no.

No advantages, unless you get really serious about the bolt gun, and spend some money on it. But then, you could do the same thing with the AR...so practically, no advantage. Accuracy in both is generally better than the typical shooter can hold.

But there is NO good reason not to have both on the shelf, other than finances, and that may not be a good reason either.
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For a 'heavy' rifle....(cartridges larger than you can feed in an AR-15) Do you think there is any practical reason to have a scoped, bolt action, mag fed rifle instead of an AR-10 pattern rifle in the same caliber, optic and capacity?

Does that bolt action rifle have any advantages whatsoever in the SHTF setting?
Bolt action for precision, it depends on how precise you want to be. What terrain you are in, number of armed threats and concealment.

If you see CQ situations as most likely but with some longer range threats, AR10 with Mark 4 Loopi scope and good tilt sights will cover that. You are not going to shoot an orange at 1000, but it will ball park hominid sized targets out that way with training.
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Truth be told a well made and tuned semi-auto will shoot on par with a bolt rifle that has been given the same treatment. One of the benefits of a bolt rifle is it is easier to blueprint one and get one to a high level of accuracy vs a semi-auto. The main perk for me is a bolt gun just handles and balances better for me than a precision AR10 platform.
No reason other than cost not to have a nice accurate 22 - 24 inch bolt gun and an AR-10 platform running a 16 - 18 inch barrel.
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Not saying a bolt action is better but there are benefits. Bolt actions have fewer failures due to less moving parts. Bolt actions have only one recoil action which is straight back, while AR10's have three. I also think bolt actions are more accurate ( but that's a topic some experts argue about). Not a benefit but I prefer bolt action for long range because I put a really good long range scope on it and don't want to have a large scope on a gun I'm carrying through brush a lot. But most of my hunting is done out where it's wide open. Think Kansas, where deer are huge, not like these small deer here in Texas. So I guess my answer is it depends on what you are using it for and what you prefer.
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There may be times when you don't want to chase and pick up brass or leave any around.

Same reason some of us prefer revolvers.
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Really the only benefit is the initial cost of getting in to the rifles. You can get a high quality, accurate bolt action .308 rifle in the $550-$600 range. You're going to get a crappy, inaccurate AR-10 in the $550-$600 range, assuming we're just talking about new rifles.

If money is not an object, then there's not many benefits, they do the same thing.
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Cheaper to buy, If your purpose is hunting and or long range use, magazines holding 10 or 20 aren't really necessary. So you don't have to purchase, or carry those either. Weight, my Win. M70 in 30-06 is pounds lighter than my AR10.

AR15 is my main SHTF rifle, AR10 is a backup or alternative. Mini 14, and SKS are available, hope they're not needed. Win 94, Win 70, and 870 are for hunting.
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Bolt guns are cheaper than semiauto 308. That's the only real advantage.

Few of us shoot enough or are good enough to know if an additional 1 MOA of accuracy is going to make any difference at all, if that is even a factor. You can have a very accurate (and dependable) semiauto too so it's a moot point.

But the price difference is not moot. I mean hell, you can get a Ruger American for like $350 or less! Or a Savage! My AR-308 has around $1500-$2000 in it, depending on if you find good deals on the parts I used to build it. (But it's a hell of a lot of fun blasting with it!)

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All semi-autos are the Devil's temptation to waste ammo. And at the price of ammo, that's a serious consideration. A bolt gun will teach you to make the first shot count. If the remote possibility exists that it might have to be used in combat, pick an action designed for stripper clips. A well made sporter on a Mauser or -03 Springfield can be had for as little as $400 these days, especially if it's a .30-06, which is just as good a cartridge as the .308 for 90% of your shooting.

Another thing: Bolt actions aren't at all fussy about what ammo you feed them. You can load the .30-06 down to subsonic small-game power, or load 220 grain bullets for big game. The .30-06 is even a pretty good round for cast bullets. Can't do that with an AR-10. If you reload for an AR-10, you'll have a relatively narrow range of powders that will give you the correct port pressure.
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If long range shooting is your thing.....kiss. Keep it simple stupid applies.
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All semi-autos are the Devil's temptation to waste ammo.
No, no they aren't.

To the OP
I have a bolt action and a semi.
The semi does everything the bolt action does only faster and 4x more ammo in the mag if it's needed. If I'm going to hunt in a TEOTWAWKI Environment I'd rather have the semi in case of a surprise.

For hunting I don't shoot past 300yds. (End of the world may change that.)
At 308 range I'd be more inclined to evade in a social situation. (Over 500yds.)
But if I can get by with it I plan to evade at 50yds.
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If you're really, really good, a high end bolt action will give you more accuracy than a high end AR. But the difference in accuracy isn't enough to matter in the real world.

If we're limited to the same caliber, I don't think there is an advantage that matters other than personal preference.

If we're not limited to the same caliber, having an AR and also having a bolt action in a different caliber that can reach out with accuracy makes sense.

There is a reason the military has 500 soldiers with AR's for every sniper.
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There may be times when you don't want to chase and pick up brass or leave any around.

Same reason some of us prefer revolvers.


Use gloves & a brass catcher...

Drop range pickups, from different collections.

Never touch loaded cartridges ungloved.
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Thanks everyone. Pretty much what I figured but I thought I would run it through the group.

I have a nice .308 bolt action that I bought several years ago.

I like it, I've hunted with it. But with AR-10 build prices so low I've been thinking about selling it and using the money to fund an AR-10 build to replace it.
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Never touch loaded cartridges ungloved.
Why is that?
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Thanks everyone. Pretty much what I figured but I thought I would run it through the group.

I have a nice .308 bolt action that I bought several years ago.

I like it, I've hunted with it. But with AR-10 build prices so low I've been thinking about selling it and using the money to fund an AR-10 build to replace it.
Keep it and get the AR10 also.

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Weight. Every AR-10 I've handled has seemed extremely heavy for a rifle meant for mobility.
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Weight. Every AR-10 I've handled has seemed extremely heavy for a rifle meant for mobility.
Not all and some innovation is getting them down to 7.5 pounds...that's still pretty light with a light optic on it.

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