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Old 08-15-2018, 10:17 PM
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Only been near a riot while driving. Course I'm usually driving this.



I just keep driving.

I modified the steps. Anyone that steps up onto them without my consent eats pavement at the pull of a lanyard.
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Been caught in one while coming out of Seoul Station. When you get caught in a riot, you stick to the outer perimeter (I ran along a wall) and never run through the crowd. Do anything you can, to separate yourself from the chaos. In my case, I (and a couple of buddies) climbed over a wall. We were only yards from the chaos, but the wall placed us "out of sight, out of mind". From there we had options. Also, you can enter a building to separate yourself from the riot.

The most important thing, is to get as much distance between you and it as quickly as possible. If you see an officer, don't run away, WALK towards them letting them know you need help. They will get you to safety. HELP is a universal word and known around the world. We were assisted by ROK soldiers during our "escape".
The big thing is to remain absolutely non-threatening and passive to rioters and authorities alike.

Adrenaline will be flowing senses will be really heightened, you have to appear completely passive otherwise you will be misidentified as a threat.

The way I teach my students the prepare for rescue in a hostile environment is head bowed, arms out in a crucifix position with palms facing the rescuers (normally PJ’s).

This could also be used if rioters are approaching, being aggressive will meet with aggression but from a crowd, you will not win that fight, no matter who you are!

If it is sensible for rescue, then dropping to your knees reinforces the message you are submissive.

In all circumstances, move in a swift but unhurried manner to safety or put a physical barrier that will separate you from the bulk of the trouble.

Running makes you stand out and identifies you as a potential threat. It is difficult not to run, but discipline will keep you alive...

The YouTube video below is of 2 UK Special Forces guys who inadvertently wandered into an IRA funeral (Google them) and were surrounded by a mob. Within minutes of this video they were dead!

They didnt stand a chance, getting aggressive aggravated the crowd rather than helped them escape. They MAY have had a slim chance of escape if they remained calm and tried to blend in.

https://youtu.be/fhfgQOLSrTQ

Remember, riots make normal sensible law-abiding citizens do silly out-of-character things. Mob rule is a recognised scientific phenomenon.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...eedom-to-riot/
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Do your best to stay out of places where this kind of crap happens.

If you do get caught in one of messes, do what you have to do to get you and yours safely out with the least amount of damage. In other words, retreat if you can and defend if necessary.

The main concern, especially if you have family with you, is to get them safely out of the area.

Be armed, be smart, and don't draw attention to yourself if possible as you make your exit. No Rambo Hollywood BS.
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I was in NYC shortly after the Tompkins square riot, we were hanging out in Washington Square park killing time while waiting to go to a show. There were problems there after the city decided to impose a curfew and close the parks for the night, people didn't like that.

I was there with two girls and my young cousin, we were walking out of the park and I looked to my left and there was a huge mob of people walking towards us. I looked to my right and there was a mob of cops walking towards us too, we were standing right in the middle of these two groups.

I don't remember any significant violence happening, but there was lots of confusion and mayhem, and one of the girl's and I got separated from my cousin and the other girl. It took an hour or so for us to find each other.

What that taught me was a seemingly normal situation can turn hectic faster than you can react to it when you're no expecting it, and you have to address the potential for trouble before it happens
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If it is a typical very bloody race riot where "WHITEY" is being hunted down and attacked (robbed, beaten, raped, murdered, etc.) and you and yours are white and trapped, having an appropriate gun will usually save you (12ga, AR, AK, etc.) and cause the mob to vacate the area. Pistols don't usually scare attacking mobs all that much, but long guns do.

I've worked 3 major riots as a cop, and can assure you that rioters don't want to get shot any more than other criminals. It is the folks that are unarmed and do nothing to save themselves that get savaged, so it might be a good idea to keep a long gun in your vehicle.

Bear in mind I'm talking about murderous race riots, not non-violent protests.
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The big thing is to remain absolutely non-threatening and passive to rioters and authorities alike.

Adrenaline will be flowing senses will be really heightened, you have to appear completely passive otherwise you will be misidentified as a threat.

The way I teach my students the prepare for rescue in a hostile environment is head bowed, arms out in a crucifix position with palms facing the rescuers (normally PJ’s).

This could also be used if rioters are approaching, being aggressive will meet with aggression but from a crowd, you will not win that fight, no matter who you are!

If it is sensible for rescue, then dropping to your knees reinforces the message you are submissive.

In all circumstances, move in a swift but unhurried manner to safety or put a physical barrier that will separate you from the bulk of the trouble.

Running makes you stand out and identifies you as a potential threat. It is difficult not to run, but discipline will keep you alive...

The YouTube video below is of 2 UK Special Forces guys who inadvertently wandered into an IRA funeral (Google them) and were surrounded by a mob. Within minutes of this video they were dead!

They didnt stand a chance, getting aggressive aggravated the crowd rather than helped them escape. They MAY have had a slim chance of escape if they remained calm and tried to blend in.

https://youtu.be/fhfgQOLSrTQ

Remember, riots make normal sensible law-abiding citizens do silly out-of-character things. Mob rule is a recognised scientific phenomenon.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...eedom-to-riot/
This is very bad (even sickening) advice by a disarmed, UK foreigner who hasn't a clue about surviving murderous anti-white race riots in the USA!

Maybe getting down on your knees and begging for mercy works in the UK, Old Chap, but it is suicidal here.
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The big thing to understand with riots/protests is that they actually happen in very small areas. The rioters need to concentrate their numbers because that's all they have. Intimidation by numbers ensures no resistance. Those numbers may exist in a city block or two. Your best bet is to just find the quickest and least obvious way to casually exit. Don't panic, don't run, etc, you'll just look like prey. Seriously. There are usually so many people around you need to do something to stand out in order to get attention.
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Much of the concern is very relative. I don't often visit large cities or downtown areas often and even though I prefer to avoid large crowds, there are times my wife wants to go to a concert (I always prefer outdoors), go to a few local festivals for the food, etc. What I don't track is social media and all the hyper-sensitive, localized protests that are popping up all over. I would definitely avoid any area if there was a warning about a protest.

So, even though most here agree that avoidance is key, I can see the potential of getting caught up in a riot or chaotic crowd following a fire, active shooter, etc. unintentionally.

After the Las Vegas shooting, my son had attended a similar concert in Atlanta with his girlfriend and her parents. We had a long discussion about risk-analysis, how to stay situationally aware, always identify cover and exits, staying on the periphery of the crowds so you don't get "locked in"; avoiding fatal funnels or chokepoints, have a map and light handy as these often happen at night or if there's a fire/smoke, it's hard to get your bearings. You don't want to escape a riot area only to find yourself in the wrong neighborhood wearing the wrong "colors" or speaking the wrong lingo.

As mentioned, most riots are very localized and your immediate goal is getting out of sight and put both distance and cover/barriers between you and the riot epicenter. I'm not a big advocate of escaping into a building as it may not have an exit and a poorly thrown Molotov cocktail might make your bad situation exponentially worse.

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Obviously you want to get out of there ASAP. But if we find ourselves in a situation where that's not easily done.
There's always a way out. Either push your way through the crowd, or find the nearest store or business, go in the front, out the back. No matter where you are you should always be on the lookout for at least 2 escape routes.
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Remember every Bruce Lee and Jean-Claude Van Damme movie you ever saw, pull the backs of your driving shoes up over your heels, and start unloading.

Just kidding.
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There is plenty of video upon the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4AMYebHGI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkBGQx3HAc
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Hold up there on that 2nd video. One of those Koreans is a deputy. Guess what he did. Went home and defended his family when SHTF.
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Hold up there on that 2nd video. One of those Koreans is a deputy. Guess what he did. Went home and defended his family when SHTF.
If his family's well being was in peril, then that is exactly what he should have done.
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Move at right angles to the direction the mob is traveling.

Find a lonely, quiet place.

Hunker down and don't become a target for either group.

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Move at right angles to the direction the mob is traveling.

Find a lonely, quiet place.

Hunker down and don't become a target for either group.
Moving at right angles from a threat is good advice, unless there is a tactical advantage in confronting the threat with overwhelming force, such as an ambush.

Locating a minimally secured, lonely place is what is needed. An unsecured lonely and quiet place can be just somewhere there won't be any witnesses to your being murdered. In any event, be sure that place chosen has adequate routes to exit and escape.
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Only been near a riot while driving. Course I'm usually driving this.



I just keep driving.

I modified the steps. Anyone that steps up onto them without my consent eats pavement at the pull of a lanyard.

Don’t forget what happened to Reginald Denny

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atta...Reginald_Denny
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Don’t forget what happened to Reginald Denny

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atta...Reginald_Denny
Reginald Denny wasn't armed. I suspect that iyaayas isn't that dumb.
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Reginald Denny wasn't armed. I suspect that iyaayas isn't that dumb.
I think he's saying 'Don't stop and sit there while they bust out your windows and climb into your truck.' It's better to not have to shoot someone trying to hit you with bricks. Especially when you can just drive over them and avoid the window repair bill.
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I think he's saying 'Don't stop and sit there while they bust out your windows and climb into your truck.' It's better to not have to shoot someone trying to hit you with bricks. Especially when you can just drive over them and avoid the window repair bill.
I got that. Though I also know that radiators and tires are easy targets to stop almost any vehicle too.

In Denny's case, it happened in California. If he would have floored it, his state government would have done their worse to see that he would be sitting in prison for the rest of his life...lest risk another riot.
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I do my best to avoid large crowds in general. Just ask yourself... "How many people get into trouble or seriously injured at their own homes by riots?"

The answer is not many. Not only that your case for self defense is much better if a group of folks try breaking into your own home and you have to take action. It doesn't take much justification that a few folks with weapons dead in your living room and your door broken is a valid case of self defense.
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