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This is so untrue. Been a member since 2012 with maybe two or three warnings at most, no bans. You banned me for conspiring with a member who sent me a pm that I didnt even respond to.

Just because you had a bad day or week. You made the post that started everything and said no repercussions, well we see how that went.

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Done.

Message to the moderators - Ricekila had no history of infractions.

Unless the member is a spammer, banned members must have a history of warning and/or infractions before being banned.
Once again you blame the Mods before checking. So much easier to blame those dedicated to the forum, you know, 'a sure thing' , instead of building relationships with the members that make this place what is is and holding to account those that try to disrupt it at every turn. We get it.

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You are right. The admin control panel did not show the infractions on his profile. I had to click another link to see them.

My apologizes.

Still, let's let him come back.
What we read: "Oops, my bad but, even though the Mods did it right, I don't care, let us bring the troll back, despite his history."

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OK, now that that part is done, I would like to say something despite my being very hesitant. Now, do not get me wrong, I have nothing against unbanning several people....dozens even, hell, I bet a hundred could come back and we would barely notice. And I am not here to defend poor management choices. This is a hard gig and for some, remaining neutral and limiting transference is hard in our stated roles. I miss posting like a normal member and have a couple threads that need attention but, I don't because it would get trolled just because.

Now back to specifics. Kev set the precedent, so I will take some liberties in what I share. Ricekilla has had 26 official infractions. What was not said in this thread' is how he copied and shared both here and elsewhere, private messages and conversations from the Grievance Section; to those that have not used it, it is held in the highest confidence by the staff team. What is said there, stays. Like Vegas but, NOT fun like Vegas.
We dealt with, in the legal standard, defamation and slander, as he personally sought to destroy the Staff, Kev and the site as a whole. We went through this for over a year because we liked the RK we knew. We figured he was just angry at previous Mods and it would go away in time. We were wrong. As a result of his return, I have had another Mod quit and another 2 on the fence.... Thanks to Kev, Rice may get the upset he worked so hard for.

I will close with two more things.... I have busted my ass along with the Mods over the last year to build relationships. I have stood by the Mods and I have stood by Members. They can tell you that I have resisted when I felt an action was wrong and I have encouraged a lot of restraint. I am NOT their boss in any way....but, they have followed my lead and we have had less bannings and infractions than at any time since I first became a Staff member. And many members can verify this in my dealings with them as well. This will bring my final point....

Kevin Felts,

Man, you are good guy and we love this place but, damn..... please do not take this wrong and I will be as direct and as cordial as I can be. Your treatment of those that work, for free, is reprehensible. While you were homesteading and Vertical Scope were doing...what ever it is they do. I was fixing VIP's, Merchants, Manually giving accounts back via phone because the forum was so unstable we did not know what would happen if I lost contact. Yeah, since I took this job to reset names and fix the basics... I spent more than 40 hours a week on top of my 60 hour a week job. (During the glitch debacle, I spent over 300 hours helping people) The Mods did similar trying to stay on top of issues.
And it was the Mods that documented issues for me to work on when I had the time. To claim the current Mod team has overstepped in any fashion is lame at best, because you and them were getting paid while we worked on helping those that matter. We fixed over 120 accounts before a fix happened. Contrary to what most think, infractions and bans are not what this team is about. None of the team right now give bans easily. Why do we do it? because we believe in what SB stands for and we love the friends we have made here. We don't burn effigies and go looking for a victim. We would love nothing more than to be bored and given the time to hang out as preppers again.

One more point. There is a Thread in the DS about the end of SB...Nah, the Mods are taking a break. Why bust your ass for free when those earning money off of your efforts treat you like crap?......things will settle down in due time...if the owner stops stirring the cesspool.

I think I have said what I will in this thread. I am going to close it until Kev reads it. He can open it back up for discussion if he chooses. Or I will leave it open.... I do not want to get fired but, hell, I am so close to quitting, it may not matter.

Actually, to be honest, the current team is the most vetted and experienced. I would not want to be around if Kev had to start afresh. I say we stick together and find the sweet spot again.

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None of the team right now give bans easily.
Which is also why the site is so full of trolls and troublemakers lately. Either we fix a problem or it festers and grows.
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Which is also why the site is so full of trolls and troublemakers lately. Either we fix a problem or it festers and grows.
Ban the trolls.

However, we need to balance how much someone contributes to the community, as compared to how much they harm the community.

If someone post a couple of off hand comments, but post essay length replies to important topics, they contribute more than they take away.
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Done.

Message to the moderators - Ricekila had no history of infractions.

Unless the member is a spammer, banned members must have a history of warning and/or infractions before being banned.
Is this the new policy? Because I'm pretty sure my sole infraction for language didn't deserve a ban.
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Is this the new policy? Because I'm pretty sure my sole infraction for language didn't deserve a ban.
Your ban from Kev was not for language.

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So that policy only applies to bans by mods.
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So that policy only applies to bans by mods.
My point was that you were not banned for language.
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My point was that you were not banned for language.
And my point is that my banning didn't follow the policy as stated that infractions and/or warnings would be given first.

In the long run, it doesn't matter, but it is an inconsistency.
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Is this the new policy? Because I'm pretty sure my sole infraction for language didn't deserve a ban.
I banned you for 5 days because you were being an ass hole.

Stupid word censor. I might have to fix that.

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I try to be a nice guy, really I do. However, when I reach a certain limit I will and out bans like candy.
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I banned you for 5 days because you were being an ass hole.

Stupid word censor. I might have to fix that.

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Was this action in a post that was deleted? I'm not seeing it in my post history. I don't deny that I can be a bitch on occasion; I just don't recall anything specific in this case.
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Was this action in a post that was deleted? I'm not seeing it in my post history. I don't deny that I can be a bitch on occasion; I just don't recall anything specific in this case.
Take your candy and move along.

Nothing good can come from this.
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My only suggestion is that the amazon gift card redirect scam is dealt with. It makes it impossible to use the site with an iphone or ipad. Its not just an ad, it redirects you to another website in a such a way you can't even use the back button but have to start all over again. Ads are one thing, I realize this is a for profit endeavor rather than a service, but when something boots you out of the site altogether I don't see how it can be good for anyone.
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My only suggestion is that the amazon gift card redirect scam is dealt with. It makes it impossible to use the site with an iphone or ipad. Its not just an ad, it redirects you to another website in a such a way you can't even use the back button but have to start all over again. Ads are one thing, I realize this is a for profit endeavor rather than a service, but when something boots you out of the site altogether I don't see how it can be good for anyone.
Not just this forum is having the issues. The same type of ad is showing on thousands of sites.

People who manage the know of the issue and are working on it.
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Which is also why the site is so full of trolls and troublemakers lately. Either we fix a problem or it festers and grows.
You think its bad now , wait til the Primary season (Mid Term Election) is in full swing , this Forum/board is on THEIR radar again ...
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This has been an interesting thread.
I don't envy the task of managing all the meadow muffins that goes on here.
Thanks Kev/mods/staff for keeping it afloat.

Bans are necessary, no bones about it.
Be consistent giving a warning beforehand, and you should be good to go if/when the hammer comes down.
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Ricekila because he is funny, and he documented hurricane Sandy for us in great detail. Also for being a veteran and a nice person.
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