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The minimum wage was intended for part time, seasonal, non educated and low / no skill jobs. What people do not realize is what is going to happen to the people that are on fixed incomes. do you think the government is going to raise SS checks by 50%. The people that are on pensions are not going to get that kind of raise. As the cost of business increases, so will the cost of goods. Are you going to pay $6 for a big mac? the only ones making money off this hole deal is the government. As people make more money, they pay more in taxes.

In law enforcement for 25 years with a 4 yr degree - I only made $19 an hour when I retired. Now some high school drop out is going to make $15. No wonder why the number one search on Google is "moving to Canada"

Time to buy a boat, sail to the Caribbean and fly the skull and cross bones
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I read through the thread and did not see this:

In recent years wages have not kept up with productivity.
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Some WalMarts, like in Utah, North Dakota, where labor is a bit short, pay $22 to start, now!

Supply and demand can affect wages, folks!
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In Seattle, McDonalds to their credit, replaced a bunch or "Workers" with ordering Kiosks. This eliminated the majority of cashier positions. So the minimum wage increase did what it always does, create more unemployment.

The cynical part of this whole thing, is that a lot of labor union contracts have wages based on the actually minimum wage, so the raising of the minimum wage benefits for fast food workers, actually benefited union workers. Giving them a raise, while at the same time punishing the fast food workers whom it was supposed to benefit in the first place. Socialism at its finest.

Cheap bastards should have made it $100.00 an hour, that way we can all be "RICH". IDIOTS.
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What's the problem being discussed here?

That a $15/hr minimum wage is too high or that there is any minimum wage limit to begin with?
The problem is: any time the minimum wage is raised, prices go up across the board, bad news for those on a fixed income that the government keeps trying to DECREASE. Most small businesses can't survive paying as much as double what they were, so they will either go out of business, or they will cut their employee roles. That means that to get that increase (for those that aren't let go) they will have to do the work of two people. Most "Millennial's" don't want to do the work of one person, much less two, so most likely a large number will just quit, and complain about not having a job.
Companies have been fleeing California in droves, this will ensure that the number of those leaving will grow.
Taxes will increase to cover the tax base that's lost by employers leaving the state (as if the tax rate isn't high enough already), causing even more people to go elsewhere.
This is socialism at work...enjoy!
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I read through the thread and did not see this:

In recent years wages have not kept up with productivity.
What productivity? All the production jobs are being, or have been, sent to China, Mexico, The Philippines, and God knows where else. The only thing that is produced here are the things that are sent back here for assembly.
Wages can't keep up with something that doesn't exist.
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It is like that at many of these type of 'unskilled' jobs. My wife works at a place like that (mainly because she is bored and wanted extra money) and it has been similar. She turned down their GM (General Manager) position for the store because it did not allow her to be home with the kids (which I agree with), that was after less than a year as an 'entry level' worker.
Awhile after I retired, I decided I liked working after all and went to see about working at Wally World.

They had postings for part time work and that's what I wanted. Started out working 16-24 hours a week and I was fine with that.

A few months later, I'm working 40 hours a week because they did the boiling frog on me. They had me learning jobs to where they wanted me to move towards assistant manager.

I said no thanks and quit for another part time job.
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It does nothing to fix any problem. It gives the 'illusion' of more money, but it will simlpy devalue the dollar even more.
Huh? I was asking a question.

I don't see the mechanics as being "simple".
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The problem is: any time the minimum wage is raised, prices go up across the board, bad news for those on a fixed income that the government keeps trying to DECREASE. Most small businesses can't survive paying as much as double what they were, so they will either go out of business, or they will cut their employee roles. That means that to get that increase (for those that aren't let go) they will have to do the work of two people. Most "Millennial's" don't want to do the work of one person, much less two, so most likely a large number will just quit, and complain about not having a job.
Companies have been fleeing California in droves, this will ensure that the number of those leaving will grow.
Taxes will increase to cover the tax base that's lost by employers leaving the state (as if the tax rate isn't high enough already), causing even more people to go elsewhere.
This is socialism at work...enjoy!

So you are saying that the idea of a minimum wage is acceptable but its a bad idea to increase it. What would be an acceptable level?
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So you are saying that the idea of a minimum wage is acceptable but its a bad idea to increase it. What would be an acceptable level?
$1.00

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I remember working at WT Grants in the 60s after school for $1.05 an hour. I thought to myself, wow when I make 10,000 a year I would have "made it." They were the good old days when 10K was serious money. Today, inflation's a bitch and then your die!

Actually, a good wage is the market rate that would be paid commensurate with the demand for the labor provided and the skills involved. If you flip burgers, you'd be paid say $7 an hour. If your answer a craigslist ad and and protest against Donald Trump, you might get $12-16. If you are Hillary and get paid 300K for a 40 minute speech to those who you are threatening to shut down because they are hurting the burger flippers, then her supporters who are largely on welfare think that's cool. I wonder if they teach that in Economics 101 today to the snowflakes that are melting over Trump's name in chalk?
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Where I work at, we got a 25 cent raise and some got a 75 cent raise. The raises do not come close to $15. I have notice some items up $2
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I remember when minimum wage went from $3.25 to $5 and every one thought it was saying the same thing everyone says about this. I honestly can't say that I agree or disagree with it, because it doesn't actually seem to matter. At least from where I stand.
That increase made a difference, right?
It raised the masses out of poverty right?
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Yes very true, works for W-Mart, I wonder how much they lose by dishonest people...

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They just mark up everything else and honest people get to pay for it. I don't go to Walmart - too many Martians there. And yeah, I know all retail business does it.

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That increase made a difference, right?
It raised the masses out of poverty right?
Honestly, I can't say that either way. It probably has little effect on it in reality, which is why I'm not so sure the $15 an hour minimum wage is going to matter that much. People are being replaced by machines, it's not a new concept.
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Honestly, I can't say that either way. It probably has little effect on it in reality, which is why I'm not so sure the $15 an hour minimum wage is going to matter that much.
If you look at the historical value of the min. wage the effect is minuscule, I think it was around a %3-4 increase over the span of eighty years.

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People are being replaced by machines, it's not a new concept.
Businesses exist to make money not provide employment, anyone who thinks different has lost touch with reality. (Not implying you here)
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... Who does not realize that the minimum wage is and never was intended to be a living wage? It is for entry level UNSKILLED positions.
Our Minimum-Wage is currently $7.50/hour [or $15k/year].

Poverty starts at $11k/year and lower.

In low COL areas $15k/year is enough to support yourself. In my town $20k - $25k is the average household income for families raising children. Retirees here do fairly well on half of that amount.
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Here's a short comprehensive video for the uninformed, explaining the issues with the doubling of the minimum wage.

Economics: Is Raising Minimum Wage A Bad Idea? - Learn Liberty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aCpaON5NyE
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Our Minimum-Wage is currently $7.50/hour [or $15k/year].

Poverty starts at $11k/year and lower.

In low COL areas $15k/year is enough to support yourself. In my town $20k - $25k is the average household income for families raising children. Retirees here do fairly well on half of that amount.
Minimum wage jobs typically are not 40 hr a week positions (to avoid having to pay benefits), are you sure your math adds up?

At 30 hours a week $7.50 an hour equals $11,700 gross pre-tax.
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