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Old 06-17-2019, 08:50 PM
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...if the "patient" is in custody the arresting agency picks up the tab for the visit...
Prisoners are expensive, and medically related expenses accounted for 20% of the county jail operations budget during my last year in the Sheriffs Office.

30 years ago, the Sheriff set a policy to effect an arrest, only after hospital discharge, when practical.
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What does it mean to pay for a fit?

Buying a suit?

new term on me.
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agree with old fart
if the "patient" is in custody the arresting agency picks up the tab for the visit

seen a O.R. bond issued over the phone, for a guy that needed immediate surgery

watched a guy get told he had terminal sinus cancer that had metasticized and released took all often minutes. he'd been in custody for almost a year before they did a biopsy

best way to get back on the street is to get too expensive

A fit is short for fit for confinement. It is a document signed by a doc or other authorized med/psych professional that the person is not too sick, mentally ill, or hurt to be placed in jail, pending disposition. If a psych disqualifier is found, the person can usually be referred for an involuntary 72-96 hour mental health evaluation.

There's a huge difference between a prisoner's status before and after conviction. Depending on the state, all medical, dental, psych, etc. bills incurred by or on behalf of the defendant are the defendant's responsibility. The mechanism may be paying the government back through court costs, or the same way everyone else pays, via one's insurance and copays/deductibles, or some combination/variation. After conviction, a prisoner is an inmate, and the medical bills in most cases are paid by the housing institution, with various agreements/contracts with the courts.

There are ways to transport for medical, etc. care and wait until the person is released from medical care/evaluation to arrest. This takes manpower, patience, and attention to detail to prevent an escape or malingering. Sometimes this is more expensive than the fit, so a jurisdiction will simply pay for the fit. Some places, the fit is the department's responsibility and everything else is the defendant's/suspect's.

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Who gives a kid a moniker like that?
The victim has got his own new monicker BOLD edits are mine:

"The ordeal started about 11 Friday morning, the Orange County Sheriff's Office said, when a woman knocked on the door of a home off Yarborough Road in Mebane. Inside, 11-year old Braydon "MACHETE" Smith was on the phone with his mother......."
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Prisoners are expensive, and medically related expenses accounted for 20% of the county jail operations budget during my last year in the Sheriffs Office.

30 years ago, the Sheriff set a policy to effect an arrest, only after hospital discharge, when practical.
I am here in Florida. I listen to the police scanner. We get a lot of felons with warrants from the NJ,NY,PA areas. It seems that when they have warrants in those states, they only extradite amongst those states. Meaning a felon can come down to Florida knowing that in most cases NJ does not want them back. So we get them. Unless they are caught doing something else, they are released into the wild.
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I am here in Florida. I listen to the police scanner. We get a lot of felons with warrants from the NJ,NY,PA areas. It seems that when they have warrants in those states, they only extradite amongst those states. Meaning a felon can come down to Florida knowing that in most cases NJ does not want them back. So we get them. Unless they are caught doing something else, they are released into the wild.
Florida and Southern California seem to be the epicenters of where a large number of fugitives are destined. Only a small percentage of those are extradited when their names hit on NCIC, regardless of their geographic location.

At any given time, there are about 500,000 individuals with active warrants across the country. Some for serious crimes who are by definition considered fugitive, but most for non violent offenses that include many for a failure to satisfy fines and fees to the courts.

The U.S. Marshal will transport non federal prisoners under their JPATS system, but there are a number of contractors who will do so as well.

Every now and again, a number of Sheriffs in my former state would combine resources, and fan out teams in jail vans to pick up fugitives from the participating agencies for two weeks. The jail vans would have to stop at a jail to drop off their prisoners every evening, so that the teams could eat and sleep after being on the road for 12 hours....I always felt bad for the prisoners being transported, as they were all shackled, chained, and caged for 12 hours a day, without eating, drinking, able to stretch out, or even having access to a commode.
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Every now and again, a number of Sheriffs in my former state would combine resources, and fan out teams in jail vans to pick up fugitives from the participating agencies for two weeks. The jail vans would have to stop at a jail to drop off their prisoners every evening, so that the teams could eat and sleep after being on the road for 12 hours....I always felt bad for the prisoners being transported, as they were all shackled, chained, and caged for 12 hours a day, without eating, drinking, able to stretch out, or even having access to a commode.
Hmm; the sheriff should do a PSA video describing whats going to eventually happen to them if they opt for the unannounced 4 AM knock and a "free ride". Offer amnesty in the way of a reimbursed Greyhound ticket once they get to their home state to turn themselves in.
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Who gives a kid a moniker like that?
He din doo nuffin!

THEY WUZ KANGS!!!
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“He noticed that he was bleeding in the back of the head really badly,” Braydon said. “So he just dropped everything and ran out of the door.”
Not badly enough IMHO.

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Braydon worried that Hall or the others might come back. His Dad slept on the couch for a few days with a pistol nearby.


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Braydon Smith, 11, poses for a portrait in his room on Monday, June 17, 2019. He was home alone on Friday, June 14 when an attempted robbery occurred in the house where he lives with his father. After realizing the man who entered his home wasn’t armed, he hit him with a machete. JULIA WALL [email protected]
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Hmm; the sheriff should do a PSA video describing whats going to eventually happen to them if they opt for the unannounced 4 AM knock and a "free ride". Offer amnesty in the way of a reimbursed Greyhound ticket once they get to their home state to turn themselves in.
Every one of those individuals are already in custody. Usually from a traffic stop. Many don't even know they have a arrest warrant, as one doesn't need to be arrested or cited to have a warrant. Some are even victims of identity theft, adding insult to injury.

A lot of localities provide online abilities for the public to do a search, but there isn't a nationwide NCIC public user portal.
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It wouldn't have mattered....

They guy came in the back door!

A woman knocked on the front door just to take his attention away

I'd say the kid done good and fought the guy off
Easy to chop someone climbing through a window! An open door gives him two fronts to worry about!

Not opening to strangers and alert to the game would of had him primed for a back of building entry!

Of course end of day kid survived, but opening the door was foolish!

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Living in rural Tennessee we had a bloodhound named Buckwheat and would bark at every car that came down our driveway. Had a black UPS driver show up one day and Buckwheat was barking like crazy so Im yelling "Shutup Buckwheat!" not realizing the driver was black
I meant black name as in crap like Shaniqua, Lashondra, etc.

Named the dog 'Dystopia'. Had her out on a potty break out front one time and went to call her to me using her name. Black neighbor lady sitting on her front porch next door did a double take and asked, "Whad you call her? What does that mean?".

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…….Every now and again, a number of Sheriffs in my former state would combine resources, and fan out teams in jail vans to pick up fugitives from the participating agencies for two weeks. The jail vans would have to stop at a jail to drop off their prisoners every evening, so that the teams could eat and sleep after being on the road for 12 hours....I always felt bad for the prisoners being transported, as they were all shackled, chained, and caged for 12 hours a day, without eating, drinking, able to stretch out, or even having access to a commode.
interfacility transfers can go 20 hours they hit as many jail/prisons as on their route following a preplanned random (?) path.
an inmate may get loaded at McAlester to go to fort supply through Vinita and Altus if the transfer crew is nice they may go through mcdonalds drive through and get them a cheese burger.

more than once they had to hose the back of the van out.
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Then the kid went and played a baseball game.
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interfacility transfers can go 20 hours they hit as many jail/prisons as on their route following a preplanned random (?) path.
an inmate may get loaded at McAlester to go to fort supply through Vinita and Altus if the transfer crew is nice they may go through mcdonalds drive through and get them a cheese burger.
A prisoner took a particular LE agency to court for doing that, not that many years ago. It ended up costing that agency $750k for some pretty significant medically related issues. After which, the bosses decided to cap transports to 12 hour (+ or - 1 hour) days.

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more than once they had to hose the back of the van out.
I can tell you from personal experience that the back of the jail van may need to be hosed after only a 20 minute ride.
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Machete-wielding 11-year-old foils North Carolina home invasion

Good going, kid.

There's a lot of good news of people sticking it to criminals this month.
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