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You can't see the wood anyway, so why not use a steel I-beam fire coated system? Or laminated wood beams if they're really set on wood. They'll likely be lighter, stronger, easier to design to carry load and maintain flexibility, and fire resistant.

Its not like they didn't change the building methods over the centuries it took to finish the place; just to stay pure to the past. If they had the means to do what we do today, they would have built it using those methods. Just like they do new buildings versus their old buildings and new ships versus their old ships. Simply put a 1000 year design criteria on it to overdesign the modifications or create a modular design that is easy to fix when doing restorations like they were starting.
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Itís gone. Cry a tear, drink a beer, build a monument. Move along...
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You can't see the wood anyway, so why not use a steel I-beam fire coated system? Or laminated wood beams if they're really set on wood. They'll likely be lighter, stronger, easier to design to carry load and maintain flexibility, and fire resistant.

Its not like they didn't change the building methods over the centuries it took to finish the place; just to stay pure to the past. If they had the means to do what we do today, they would have built it using those methods. Just like they do new buildings versus their old buildings and new ships versus their old ships. Simply put a 1000 year design criteria on it to overdesign the modifications or create a modular design that is easy to fix when doing restorations like they were starting.
I totally agree. Stay true to the original aesthetic design and use oak laminated steel components for appearance.
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It still sort of amazes me that Paris survived WWII.
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It wasn't supposed to if I remember correctly. It was supposed to be destroyed but the German General (or Field Marshall) in charge refused to do it. Then the partisans revolted and took to the streets when the allies were close enough. It's been a while since I have seen "Is Paris Burning?" (great docudrama with lots of real footage)
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It wasn't supposed to if I remember correctly. It was supposed to be destroyed but the German General (or Field Marshall) in charge refused to do it. Then the partisans revolted and took to the streets when the allies were close enough. It's been a while since I have seen "Is Paris Burning?" (great docudrama with lots of real footage)
The general in charge declared Paris an open city to save it the ravages of being attacked.
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The general in charge declared Paris an open city to save it the ravages of being attacked.
An "open city".....hmmmm maybe this is the reason so many Liberal cities in U.S. are declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" just in case we get attacked?
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The GERMAN general in Paris refused to raze the city before retreating. When you dig into it you find that the German military contained quite a few civilized officers. Enough that they even tried assassinating Hitler, and made peace overtures to the Allies in 1944. Stalinist "agents of influence" in FDR's administration opposed negotiating with them, and so the war went on for another mega-bloody year.
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http://mynorthwest.com/1419101/us-do...e-works-bills/

90% of funds from us donors.
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Like the catholic anti christ eh Pope isn't sitting on the largest pile of money
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Enough with the bigotry. This is not the place for it. Try SHTFPlan. They will welcome you over there.

Anyway, the Church does not own the Cathedral.
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It’s gone. Cry a tear, drink a beer, build a monument. Move along...
Out of principle, if a terrorist destroys a dung pile, we rebuild it, better than new and celebrate it as a nation/world of civilized people.

The enemy can never achieve or be granted any victory.

Note: if you doubt it was terrorism, show me a report of the 5 minute arson investigation. LOL.
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Out of principle, if a terrorist destroys a dung pile, we rebuild it, better than new and celebrate it as a nation/world of civilized people.

The enemy can never achieve or be granted any victory.

Note: if you doubt it was terrorism, show me a report of the 5 minute arson investigation. LOL.
Dittos x 1000. I'm sure you weren't suggesting that the cathedral is a dung pile, but rather that no matter what they destroy, we'll restore it. They destroyed civilization in the West once. We must not let 'em do it again.
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Dittos x 1000. I'm sure you weren't suggesting that the cathedral is a dung pile, but rather that no matter what they destroy, we'll restore it. They destroyed civilization in the West once. We must not let 'em do it again.
Do we care about the cult and their places of worship.

The Muslim push is far to late in Europe.
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Do we care about the cult and their places of worship.

The Muslim push is far to late in Europe.
What do you mean by cult?
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There is perseverance in Paris. The first Mass since the fire, (clergy and worshippers in hard hats):

http://news.trust.org/item/20190615095356-m465t
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Enough with the bigotry. This is not the place for it. Try SHTFPlan. They will welcome you over there.

Anyway, the Church does not own the Cathedral.
Bigotry or not, the Pope is in fact sitting on a stack of cash and, well, none of those US donors own the cathedral either.

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Out of principle, if a terrorist destroys a dung pile, we rebuild it, better than new and celebrate it as a nation/world of civilized people.

The enemy can never achieve or be granted any victory.

Note: if you doubt it was terrorism, show me a report of the 5 minute arson investigation. LOL.


I have no love for muzzies. Iíve seen their death and destruction first hand. If (highly likely) it was them who burned down the cathedral, itís a done deal. The historical aspect of that building has been turned to charcoal. My point is that attempting to duplicate the same thing to be 100% accurate to the original is a waste of time and money.
Build something BETTER. Make it an indestructible symbol that muzzies will never win. Build it with modern engineering design, materials, and methods. It will be better and faster, though probably not much less expensive.
Then take any remaining monies as sink that into forcing the muzzies back to their own ****hole countries.
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Muzzies are the enemy.

Islam is a cancer.

Belt fed is the solution.

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Bigotry or not, the Pope is in fact sitting on a stack of cash and, well, none of those US donors own the cathedral either.

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