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It worse. In theory you could die in a field and "become" part of a maple tree one day.



Yet no amount of fact altering, lying, twisting information, etc. will make their "truther" claims true.



It's so ironic and twisted they hijacked the term "truth" to falsify information and ignore truth and further their rotten information. Taken to the extreme, it's not harmless. It exonerates terrorists for a horrible event, and accuses innocent patriots for their role in the event and aftermath. It's really pretty awful when you boil their lies down.
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9/11 was allowed to happen with high up officials from the US and Israel knowing about it at the very least! There is no doubt about that! Explain the dancing Israelis. How the event took place at the exact time the US Air Force had most of their planes out West doing drills and others left on the East Coast unarmed. Too coincidental. The small impact crater in Shanksville. We were not "caught off guard" as the Govt implies, 9/11 was the "New Pearl Harbor", as the Project For The New American Century said was needed to get Americans on board with going to war in the Middle East and push the Patriot Act and this surveillance state we now live in.
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9/11 was allowed to happen with high up officials from the US and Israel knowing about it at the very least! There is no doubt about that! Explain the dancing Israelis. How the event took place at the exact time the US Air Force had most of their planes out West doing drills and others left on the East Coast unarmed. Too coincidental. The small impact crater in Shanksville. We were not "caught off guard" as the Govt implies, 9/11 was the "New Pearl Harbor", as the Project For The New American Century said was needed to get Americans on board with going to war in the Middle East and push the Patriot Act and this surveillance state we now live in.
Weird. I have doubt about your accusations, especially since they are false.

And most of your run-on paragraph is conjecture, heavily disputed, or simply false.

How big "should" the impact crater be? Do tell us.

"ALL" of our jets were not out west. We scrambled several in the area.

Etc. etc. etc.
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We know there are synthetic situations used to forward agendas, and we know there are real situations that are ďaugmentedĒ to make them more useful, more aligned with he needs of the agenda. The Charlie hebdo shooting is another one.
Our news outlets showed us a video of one of the attackers killing a French cop on the sidewalk with a close range shot from an AK47. They didnít show the actual shot, they showed the guy running and pointing the rifle down at the cop and the cop bracing, them it cuts to the guy running away from the cop afterwards. They didnít show the shot because the cop wasnít shot, the rifle is fired and the bullet strikes the round about a foot away from his face. They had a funeral for this guy and state honors and the whole thing for a guy who didnít die, at least not that day.
When **** like that is pushed on us no reasonable person could expect the public to trust the official word on anything.

This is an unedited version, you can clearly see the bullet hit the sidewalk. An ak47 that close would have made that sidewalk look like a slaughterhouse floor, this is 100% fake. Trust? I donít think so

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It seems to me that there are some who believe every bad thing that happens is a ďbig bad gubmintĒ false flag event.
I guess those people have led pretty sheltered lives but I can assure them that bad things do often happen when there is no deep state hand on the tiller.
Jesí sayiní.





I just offered a possible reason for his reaction, it is the mountains of evidence to the contrary that discredits that particular false flag fantasy.
Ditto 9/11.
Oh and letís not forget the Boston marathon bombing FFF, if I hadnít blocked him Iíd be curious to know what was the reason for that ďfalse flagĒ? Are they trying to stop the rampant use of unlicensed pressure cookers?
I agree, some people connect dots that donít need to be connected and thatís a bad thing. It takes the impact away from sone things that do need to be scrutinized.
Conversely, some people support the mainstream narrative 100% of the time which is also damaging. It stops real dialogue about facts and doesnít allow real questions the public may have to be answered.

Look at the Charlie Hebdo incident. I have no reason to deny it happened the way weíre told it happened, but thereís that video of the fake headshot and you wonder why. And if that was faked, a peripheral event that, if it didnít happen, would not have changed the fact the shooting was horrible? If it was faked who told the guys to fake it, and if someone told them to fake it doesnít that mean the shooters were just the tools of someone else?
I canít say what happened there but that one staged act, supported by a funeral and honors for a cop who didnít get his head blown off, stops me from 100% believing any official story weíre given.
And whoís to blame? The media for their bull**** news and the gov for their dishonesty. This is a fairly new phenomenon in our society, at least on the scale weíre seeing it anyway. Why is that? Because the internet destroyed the monopoly the state supported press held on the narrative of everything that happens. As I said before, 9/11 happened in 2001, three years before YouTube was created and well before anyone thought the media would lose itís grip on the info we receive. A person can upload a video and 1,000,000 people can watch the video all at the same time. They can pause it, screenshot and enlarge it. The days of us not being given all the info weíre over in 2004 when youtube was turned on.
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I have a picture saved of a screenshot of a YouTube video, something told me to capture that image. There was a video on YouTube that showed one of the hotel staff at the Vegas hotel telling what happened. He said the shooter opened the door to his hotel room and yelled for the man to take cover, and he said there were gunshots happening while the guy told him that. If I can find the video iíll Post it here.
Then people wonder why some donít believe a ****ing thing weíre told....
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I agree, some people connect dots that don’t need to be connected and that’s a bad thing. It takes the impact away from sone things that do need to be scrutinized.
Conversely, some people support the mainstream narrative 100% of the time which is also damaging. It stops real dialogue about facts and doesn’t allow real questions the public may have to be answered.

Look at the Charlie Hebdo incident. I have no reason to deny it happened the way we’re told it happened, but there’s that video of the fake headshot and you wonder why. And if that was faked, a peripheral event that, if it didn’t happen, would not have changed the fact the shooting was horrible? If it was faked who told the guys to fake it, and if someone told them to fake it doesn’t that mean the shooters were just the tools of someone else?
I can’t say what happened there but that one staged act, supported by a funeral and honors for a cop who didn’t get his head blown off, stops me from 100% believing any official story we’re given.
And who’s to blame? The media for their bull**** news and the gov for their dishonesty. This is a fairly new phenomenon in our society, at least on the scale we’re seeing it anyway. Why is that? Because the internet destroyed the monopoly the state supported press held on the narrative of everything that happens. As I said before, 9/11 happened in 2001, three years before YouTube was created and well before anyone thought the media would lose it’s grip on the info we receive. A person can upload a video and 1,000,000 people can watch the video all at the same time. They can pause it, screenshot and enlarge it. The days of us not being given all the info we’re over in 2004 when youtube was turned on.
It's wise to question things. I've said before, and it's proven over time, that corporations and governments are corrupt and lie. A few examples:
* Pat Tillman dishonest narrative the military was forced to admit was a lie
* Bay of Tonkin false flag narrative
* Use of Agent Orange defoliants
* Daily lies of corporate media machines

I, too, have questioned many events and narratives.

But at some point when faced with overwhelming evidence of an event, it's plain that the event occurred. Like 9/11/01. I had some questions about the PA crash and building 7. I said as much at the start of this thread. I went in suspicious and with an open mind, and when I actually looked at the evidence, those questions have been resolved satisfactorily.
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I have a picture saved of a screenshot of a YouTube video, something told me to capture that image. There was a video on YouTube that showed one of the hotel staff at the Vegas hotel telling what happened. He said the shooter opened the door to his hotel room and yelled for the man to take cover, and he said there were gunshots happening while the guy told him that. If I can find the video iíll Post it here.
Then people wonder why some donít believe a ****ing thing weíre told....
I'd be curious to see that video. However a conspiracy theorists "explanation" of such a thing is lacking in authenticity and believably.

The LV shooting is an event in which I could believe the official explanation, or I could believe an entirely different explanation. It's all just very odd and suspicious.

But we know the shooting was coming from his room, so that strains credibility.
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I have a picture saved of a screenshot of a YouTube video, something told me to capture that image. There was a video on YouTube that showed one of the hotel staff at the Vegas hotel telling what happened. He said the shooter opened the door to his hotel room and yelled for the man to take cover, and he said there were gunshots happening while the guy told him that. If I can find the video iíll Post it here.

Then people wonder why some donít believe a ****ing thing weíre told....
I finally watched the father video you shared yesterday and I'm not buying what you're selling lol.

First of all, it was a 2 min clip on loop. I don't have time to sit there and watch him repeat himself 20 times.

But more importantly, I don't see any evidence of acting, and I still maintain that bringing up crisis actors is disrespectful towards the families involved.

Others and myself have already explained that having a range of emotions and reactions is normal.

And is anyone here religious? I've never cried after a loss, why cry when I believe they are moving on to a better place? Sounds selfish. So I was laughing and having a good time during the burial of a loved one somewhat recently. It's a time of celebration of that person's life, impact, and seeing them off to heaven. Nothing sad about it.

But anyway, I have yet to see any compelling evidence that there is any "hoax" here.

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Another one who didn’t watch the video. You don’t know what you’re talking about, as usual.
Whether it's a hairbrained nonsense claim from 9/11/01, Sandy Hook, or any other conspiracy..

A YouTube video is not "proof." As usual, the videos are generally heavily cut and edited to try to make a point, generally by a "truther" who oddly tries to conceal the truth.

I've watched every video the "truthers" cite pertaining to 9/11/01. They are universally out of context, doctored, staged, or heavily edited. I generally watch until it gets redundant with easily proven lies... than I tire and stop watching the nonsense. There is always a logical valid explanation when the proper context and non-edited video is available.

Same analysis with S.H. I'm not going to take this off track with a S.H. specific discussion but simply argue by an analogy: Let's not detract from this thread, other than to state that just like 9/11/01, everything WAS investigated by the actual authorities who would have ZERO motives to shield the real murderer(s). None. Nada. The amount of human/parent/LEO/EMT co-conspirators to perpetrate an unthinkable violent crime against real victims and humans would be an astronomical and unbelievable number of professionals so that any belief in the furtherance and cover-up of said conspiracy takes such logical leaps that it's not only implausible but impossible...

The 9/11/01 planes had what, 200+ souls. Many were well-known like the creator of the hit TV show Frasier. He actually died and his (and others') DNA was confirmed. Or was that a cover-up and he's really alive somewhere?? Many were documented professionals like pilots and stewards with FAA records. Factor an average number of family members per person to be 10 (parents, siblings, spouses, kids). So that's ~2000 immediate family members who'd have to co-conspire.

The family members of real people on real hijacked airplanes would have nothing to gain from furtherance of a conspiracy about the deaths of their loved ones, just like the parents of dead kids at SH would have zero to gain from shielding the true murderers of their dead kids.

Next is the airlines and their insurance companies. Cost of a jet is what, $100,000,000... ?? Who ate that cost? Did they co-conspire to "disappear" their airplanes and take massive financial losses? And if so, why? Nobody leaked that massive insurance fraud??? Nobody in the airline or insurance industry worried about fraud accusations? Stock losses that all these employees would have taken... what incentive would probably hundreds of insiders have to further this scam ....?
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Whether it's a hairbrained nonsense claim from 9/11/01, Sandy Hook, or any other conspiracy..

A YouTube video is not "proof." As usual, the videos are generally heavily cut and edited to try to make a point, generally by a "truther" who oddly tries to conceal the truth.

I've watched every video the "truthers" cite pertaining to 9/11/01. They are universally out of context, doctored, staged, or heavily edited. I generally watch until it gets redundant with easily proven lies... than I tire and stop watching the nonsense. There is always a logical valid explanation when the proper context and non-edited video is available.

Same analysis with S.H. I'm not going to take this off track with a S.H. specific discussion but simply argue by an analogy: Let's not detract from this thread, other than to state that just like 9/11/01, everything WAS investigated by the actual authorities who would have ZERO motives to shield the real murderer(s). None. Nada. The amount of human/parent/LEO/EMT co-conspirators to perpetrate an unthinkable violent crime against real victims and humans would be an astronomical and unbelievable number of professionals so that any belief in the furtherance and cover-up of said conspiracy takes such logical leaps that it's not only implausible but impossible...

The 9/11/01 planes had what, 200+ souls. Many were well-known like the creator of the hit TV show Frasier. He actually died and his (and others') DNA was confirmed. Or was that a cover-up and he's really alive somewhere?? Many were documented professionals like pilots and stewards with FAA records. Factor an average number of family members per person to be 10 (parents, siblings, spouses, kids). So that's ~2000 immediate family members who'd have to co-conspire.

The family members of real people on real hijacked airplanes would have nothing to gain from furtherance of a conspiracy about the deaths of their loved ones, just like the parents of dead kids at SH would have zero to gain from shielding the true murderers of their dead kids.

Next is the airlines and their insurance companies. Cost of a jet is what, $100,000,000... ?? Who ate that cost? Did they co-conspire to "disappear" their airplanes and take massive financial losses? And if so, why? Nobody leaked that massive insurance fraud??? Nobody in the airline or insurance industry worried about fraud accusations? Stock losses that all these employees would have taken... what incentive would probably hundreds of insiders have to further this scam ....?
Yea, it's all fantastic and doesn't make sense

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Whether it's a hairbrained nonsense claim from 9/11/01, Sandy Hook, or any other conspiracy..

A YouTube video is not "proof." As usual, the videos are generally heavily cut and edited to try to make a point, generally by a "truther" who oddly tries to conceal the truth.

I've watched every video the "truthers" cite pertaining to 9/11/01. They are universally out of context, doctored, staged, or heavily edited. I generally watch until it gets redundant with easily proven lies... than I tire and stop watching the nonsense. There is always a logical valid explanation when the proper context and non-edited video is available.

Same analysis with S.H. I'm not going to take this off track with a S.H. specific discussion but simply argue by an analogy: Let's not detract from this thread, other than to state that just like 9/11/01, everything WAS investigated by the actual authorities who would have ZERO motives to shield the real murderer(s). None. Nada. The amount of human/parent/LEO/EMT co-conspirators to perpetrate an unthinkable violent crime against real victims and humans would be an astronomical and unbelievable number of professionals so that any belief in the furtherance and cover-up of said conspiracy takes such logical leaps that it's not only implausible but impossible...

The 9/11/01 planes had what, 200+ souls. Many were well-known like the creator of the hit TV show Frasier. He actually died and his (and others') DNA was confirmed. Or was that a cover-up and he's really alive somewhere?? Many were documented professionals like pilots and stewards with FAA records. Factor an average number of family members per person to be 10 (parents, siblings, spouses, kids). So that's ~2000 immediate family members who'd have to co-conspire.

The family members of real people on real hijacked airplanes would have nothing to gain from furtherance of a conspiracy about the deaths of their loved ones, just like the parents of dead kids at SH would have zero to gain from shielding the true murderers of their dead kids.

Next is the airlines and their insurance companies. Cost of a jet is what, $100,000,000... ?? Who ate that cost? Did they co-conspire to "disappear" their airplanes and take massive financial losses? And if so, why? Nobody leaked that massive insurance fraud??? Nobody in the airline or insurance industry worried about fraud accusations? Stock losses that all these employees would have taken... what incentive would probably hundreds of insiders have to further this scam ....?
You are stunningly deceptive
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Par for the course. A "truther" makes a wild accusation totally unsupported by any evidence or proof, making such accusation as though it's fact when it's in reality the opposite of true.
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All posts related to Sandy Hook have been moved to the relevant thread.

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=281704

If you wish to discuss it further, go to that thread. This one is about 9/11.
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Been thinking of the fall of WTC7 lately, a 47-story building that was not hit by a plane and had what looked like only a number of floors on fire. Maybe 10 that faces WTC1, although the emergency diesel generator fuel was stored close by.

Then there was that British newscast, that the building collapsed, although it did not for minutes more.

What was in WTC7? All sorts of financial institutions as well as some alphabet agencies.. AND Rudy Giuliani's offices.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/rudy-g...on-911/5637273

Another angle I came up with is that WTC7 would be a good staging spot to orchestrate the collapse of WTC1 & 2. Good view, within wireless controller range, etc.
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Been thinking of the fall of WTC7 lately, a 47-story building that was not hit by a plane and had what looked like only a number of floors on fire. Maybe 10 that faces WTC1, although the emergency diesel generator fuel was stored close by.

Then there was that British newscast, that the building collapsed, although it did not for minutes more.

What was in WTC7? All sorts of financial institutions as well as some alphabet agencies.. AND Rudy Giuliani's offices.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/rudy-g...on-911/5637273

Another angle I came up with is that WTC7 would be a good staging spot to orchestrate the collapse of WTC1 & 2. Good view, within wireless controller range, etc.
What are you getting at?

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Been thinking of the fall of WTC7 lately, a 47-story building that was not hit by a plane and had what looked like only a number of floors on fire. Maybe 10 that faces WTC1, although the emergency diesel generator fuel was stored close by.

Then there was that British newscast, that the building collapsed, although it did not for minutes more.

What was in WTC7? All sorts of financial institutions as well as some alphabet agencies.. AND Rudy Giuliani's offices.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/rudy-g...on-911/5637273

Another angle I came up with is that WTC7 would be a good staging spot to orchestrate the collapse of WTC1 & 2. Good view, within wireless controller range, etc.
Your questions/thoughts have been thoroughly considered, reviewed, gone over, and explained in painstaking conversation and details. I'll summarize:

1. The big things going on at the time, such as Enron, were not interrupted and prosecutions and lawsuits still occurred. Also, governments store off-sight backups of everything important as a disaster contingency. Been going on long before 9/11/01. So that debunks that theory of some destruction to interfere with XYZ.

2. WTC7 suffered serious damage from the collapsing buildings impacting it, and parts of the structure were damaged internally and externally, and KNOCKED FIRE RETARDANT INSULATION LOOSE in WTC7. Also damaged the fire suppression systems. The falling buildings registered as earthquakes which could contribute as well. But the most critical thing was many floors engulfed in fire, which were not fought adequately because of lost water pressure. The total combination revealed a critical failure of some structural beams which slipped or bent and failed, causing a catastrophic collapse chain event. Like a broken link in a chain.

3. The BBC reporter was wrong, or rather she "guessed" correctly. It's that simple. The building had been evacuated because it was bulging and collapse was feared. The experts were correct, in that it was going to collapse. She reported it had collapsed. It would be nonsensical to think that a diabolical plan hatched by the CIA (which is equally nonsensical) would include a BBC news reporter... why would they inform a foreign member of the news media? You'd have to be really really dumb to believe that. It's simply a weird coincidence/event which the "truthers" try to trick the simpletons.

4. As for this notion of wiring the buildings it's been gone over before. The number of people, man hours, and tons of supplies would have made it not only impractical but extremely unlikely. Combine that with the fact that humans talk and secrets leak... plus when you roll it all up with the rest of the events none of it would make an ounce of common sense or logical sense. From logistics and planning, to number of people needed spread across every .gov and state and federal organizations from planning to execution to coverup - faked forensics and documents and logs would be astronomical task. Penalties for which would be treason, murdering fellow patriots and civilians, and so forth...

All that is to say, it was not an inside job and these are just simple dots to connect.
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Good grief.

So....maybe read the nist report.....it says the damage sustained in the collapse of the North tower was negligible and played no part in the collapse of Wtc 7.

People like to toss that onto the pile to back their claim of what happened and they don't even know what's in the very reports they support.

The head of the investigation says both in the report, and on recorded interviews that it was fire, normal office fires to be precise, that brought down building 7.

He goes on to say that it's extremely unusual and at the time had never happened before. In the nist report is a chart of every recorded fire in modern high rise structures. There's hundreds. Some are listed as total loss, burned until all combustible material was exhausted and yet, not a single collapse ever occured. The three listed that did collapse were the Wtc. Buildings. North and South towers and building 7.

Since the publication of the nist report on 911 we did have the plasco building in Iran come down as a result of fire but believe it or not there's a world of difference in a building tipping over and one that implodes straight down, accelerating all the way to the ground.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: read the nist report.
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