Questin for our Italian friends - Survivalist Forum
Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > > >
Articles Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files


Notices

Advertise Here
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Yet another italian Ragnomagno New Member Introduction 17 06-07-2011 12:37 AM
Other Friends VS. Alaskan Friends Mad Dog Jokes, Humor & Music 1 01-03-2009 09:36 PM
.303 questin. wengo1776 Firearms General Discussion 9 11-03-2008 10:34 PM
A questin for the Brittish? wengo1776 Firearms General Discussion 42 10-29-2008 07:19 PM
Tactical gun questin? wengo1776 Firearms General Discussion 9 10-25-2008 12:08 AM
30-06 Questin wengo1776 Firearms General Discussion 7 09-07-2008 01:57 AM
Ruger P85 questin. wengo1776 Firearms General Discussion 2 08-21-2008 09:57 PM
Dum questin. wengo1776 Military Weapons Forum 24 07-21-2008 11:44 AM

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-24-2015, 01:20 PM
clc79092's Avatar
clc79092 clc79092 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: TEXAS
Age: 54
Posts: 1,925
Thanks: 197
Thanked 3,074 Times in 1,070 Posts
Default Questin for our Italian friends



Advertise Here

Is the Abruzzo region of Italy a decent place to buy a vacation home with the plan of retiring there from the USA? I noted that home prices are cheap there so I am assuming that jobs are scarce.
Quick reply to this message
Old 07-24-2015, 02:19 PM
FalconsBravesHawks FalconsBravesHawks is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Georgia
Age: 44
Posts: 3,923
Thanks: 12,865
Thanked 7,213 Times in 2,529 Posts
Default

tell thee of thy quest ser clc79092
Quick reply to this message
Old 07-24-2015, 02:32 PM
tcpip95's Avatar
tcpip95 tcpip95 is offline
Hiker
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 613
Thanks: 954
Thanked 1,570 Times in 407 Posts
Default

Jobs are scarce throughout all of Italy. I lived there for 13 years, still have a daughter living in Italy (we're from the USA). From a financial standpoint you're not going to want to be a foreign property owner, as you're going to end up being taxed to death. The government coffers simply don't have the depth to be able to continue to pay for the social/welfare programs. In many cases, Italy is in as bad - or worse - shape as Greece.
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to tcpip95 For This Useful Post:
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-26-2015, 01:31 AM
clc79092's Avatar
clc79092 clc79092 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: TEXAS
Age: 54
Posts: 1,925
Thanks: 197
Thanked 3,074 Times in 1,070 Posts
Default

Just looking for a place to retire to and my fiancé used to live in Italy as a child. She would like to back there. She is not Italian but actually Russian.
Quick reply to this message
Old 07-26-2015, 11:18 AM
tcpip95's Avatar
tcpip95 tcpip95 is offline
Hiker
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 613
Thanks: 954
Thanked 1,570 Times in 407 Posts
Default

Too bad she's not an Italian citizen... Would make it a much better option if she were to own the property.
Quick reply to this message
Old 09-20-2015, 08:35 AM
Beneath A Steel Sky's Avatar
Beneath A Steel Sky Beneath A Steel Sky is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 58
Thanks: 1
Thanked 32 Times in 22 Posts
Default

I'm a Italian and i live in Italy but in the Ligurian region not on Abruzzo. The prices of homes depends where you wish buy. In Italy there are many little locations where people lived before the industrialization. These little "borghi, paesi" are, in some cases , abandoned because they left their houses for going to live in the city. I think that these consideration could be the reason for the low cost of houses. Obviously the economic crisis made damage also here....

Sorry for my english.


Italian:

Io sono un italiano e vivo in Italia, ma in Liguria non in Abruzzo. I prezzi delle case dipendono dove si desidera acquistare. In Italia ci sono molti piccoli luoghi dove le persone vivevano prima della industrializzazione. Questi piccoli "borghi, paesi" sono, in alcuni casi, abbandonati perché hanno lasciato le loro case per andare a vivere in città. Credo che questa considerazione possa essere il principale motivo per il basso costo delle case. Ovviamente la crisi economica ha fatto danni anche qui ....
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Beneath A Steel Sky For This Useful Post:
Old 04-04-2016, 08:11 AM
randello88 randello88 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

As bad shape as greece? I'm italian and it isn't True at all..
Quick reply to this message
Old 04-04-2016, 08:28 PM
tcpip95's Avatar
tcpip95 tcpip95 is offline
Hiker
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 613
Thanks: 954
Thanked 1,570 Times in 407 Posts
Default

A Steel Sky. Complimenti al tuo inglese. Hai scritto molto bene. Non hai bisogna di chiedere "scusa"
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-29-2016, 06:44 PM
Beneath A Steel Sky's Avatar
Beneath A Steel Sky Beneath A Steel Sky is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 58
Thanks: 1
Thanked 32 Times in 22 Posts
Default

thanks tcpip95 for the compliments...also your italian is pretty good
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to Beneath A Steel Sky For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2017, 04:51 PM
elek elek is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: The Alps
Posts: 70
Thanks: 18
Thanked 92 Times in 42 Posts
Default

THE TAXES WILL KILL YOU!

No joke.

It's not so much the price of the homes and the land, it's the price of the taxes and the red tape you'll have to go through. Everything costs money here, every. single. thing.

I wouldn't say that people are desperate but things cost a lot in general. The cost of living is pretty high, too. I find it a huge difference between North America and here in Italy. You can live frugally but expect everything that you can get in North America to cost significantly more in Italy.
Quick reply to this message
Old 05-30-2018, 05:42 AM
Sorry-no-clues's Avatar
Sorry-no-clues Sorry-no-clues is offline
Hiker
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: England
Posts: 720
Thanks: 179
Thanked 1,289 Times in 492 Posts
Default

Check the news from Italy. There's the real prospect of financial chaos over there. Dollars might be useful, but I wouldn't rush to buy over there in the next 12 months.

Also bear in mind the kind of problems UK people had with property in Spain

http://www.expatarrivals.com/article...ks-and-rewards

The system is apparently worse in Italy, one reason (cost being another) why people go to Spain rather than Italy, which IMO is much more beautiful, cultured and all-round better than Spain.
Quick reply to this message
Old 02-03-2019, 12:49 PM
GionStrambo's Avatar
GionStrambo GionStrambo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Italy
Posts: 36
Thanks: 16
Thanked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Hi clc79092

even if this is an old thread I would like to answer, this can be useful to

you and to any other non Italian fellow that wants to relocate to Italy.

Language

The first obstacle is the language: Italian is one language but there are a

lot of dialects, some of them are real different languages (as the sardinian

dialects for example). The dialect more similar to Italian are spoken in

Tuscany. For english native speakers learning Italian can be a struggle. It is

true that english is widely spoken here in Italy but I would like to see an

englishman try to make himself understood by a 70 years old sheperd from the

Marsica mountains. Speaking in Italian you may have a better chance expecially

with older people living in Italy's remote areas but still is a little bit of

a struggle, even for Italian non-dialect speaking people.

#https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lati_in_Italia

.png#

Real Estate


If you are buying a property if you have to restructure/refit paperworks can

be very time and nerves consuming, there is not an "universal rule", every

town council has its own rules, there are landscape regulations and (long

story short) when you restructure an old property (ruin or looking like a

ruin) you have to do in a way that looks like an old property. If you want to

build a modern building or restructure an old not so in shape property to look

too modern from the outside in an ancient town you are very likely to see your

project refused by the town council. Construction and restructuring is a very

complicated business in Italy if you want to make it by the law, and being a

foreign citizen you are strongly advised not to break the law.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Appennini mountains is at high

sismic risk, earthquakes happen quite often.

Property taxes are the IMU (Property Tax), the TARI (Litter Tax) and the TASI

(Town public utilities tax). The IMU is paid by the landlord and the TASI is

paid by the tenant. Here where I live the TARI and the TASI are a single tax

called IUC (Imposta Comunale Unica) where TARI and TASI are merged together. I

have paid 180€ for the 2018. I am tenant in a 70 square meters apartment in a

50.000 inhabitants town in central Italy (Marche region).

Regarding the IMU (property tax) it is paid for the second homes and over or

if the first home is a luxury residence, or if the home owner is not

domicilied there. If you are a foreign citizen and you buy a vacation home in

Italy then you have to pay IMU, if you are a foreign citizen and you have your

living address in your italian property and that is your only property on

Earth then you should not pay IMU (I am not sure, if you want to buy a

property in Italy then you have to double check). To get the IMU import a poor

soul must check the cadastral value of the property by the Land Registry where

the property is located and pay an amount varying from 3,8 ‰ to 10,6‰ of the

cadastral value. This is something that is beyond my possibility, I just

inform you that this tax exists. My parents paid 360 € for a 50 square meters second home in Tuscany


Commuting

There is a tax to pay (Bollo Auto) if you want to have a car that this year (2019) is for power up to 100 Kw

Euro 4-5-6: 2,58 € each Kw
Euro 3: 2,70 €
Euro 2: 2,80 €
Euro 1: 2,90 €
Euro 0: 3,00 €

and for power of more than 100 Kw

Euro 4-5-6: 3,87 € each Kw
Euro 3: 4,05 €
Euro 2: 4,20 €
Euro 1: 4,35 €
Euro 0: 4,50 €

for the insurance expect to pay rather much because possibly you are starting from the lower class, expect to pay 800 € or more per year. Insurance is mandatory and highly recommended, don't skip on this because you can really trash your life by driving without it. Fines are severe and you may end up in jail.

Fuel is expensive too, today 1,48 € a liter for gasoline and 1,41 a liter for diesel at the petrol pump near home

Medical Insurance

Before entering in Italy if you are a non EU citizen you better have a medical insurance, then you should subscribe to the Italian Sanitary System as soon as you can not to be fully charged if you need medical care. If you come in Italy to stay here you have the right/duty to be transcribed in the SSN (Servizio Sanitario Nazionale). If you come illegally in Italy you can go to the sanitary district and ask for a card called STP (Stranger temporarily present) and you have the right on free emergency medical cares and hospitalization. You may try to tell the hospital and see if it works (but still is better to have a medical insurance, that works guaranteed)

Living Expenses

It depends a lot on your lifestyle, here where I live (town of 50.000 in central Italy), we are on rent, 3 adults and a dog, one car, methane, water, electricity, phone, internet, taking care not to spend too much we live with about 1000 € a month on average, if we don't have extraordinary expenses.

Hope it is useful to you

Last edited by GionStrambo; 02-03-2019 at 12:53 PM.. Reason: fuel price
Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2019, 09:38 PM
clc79092's Avatar
clc79092 clc79092 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: TEXAS
Age: 54
Posts: 1,925
Thanks: 197
Thanked 3,074 Times in 1,070 Posts
Default

Here in Texas my current mortgage is $1600 per month, $500 per month vehicle insurance for 2 vehicles and $600 per month for health insurance. That does not cover internet, tv fuel, electric or anything else. This place is expensive just to live. Cheaper housing in this town of 10,000 people just does not exist.
Quick reply to this message
Old 02-07-2019, 10:36 AM
4X4's Avatar
4X4 4X4 is online now
Basket of deplorables
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 822
Thanks: 3,662
Thanked 2,482 Times in 668 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clc79092 View Post
$500 per month vehicle insurance for 2 vehicles
That's insane, are you insuring a 16 year old driver with multiple crashes or something? That's $6000 a year, I have several vehicles with a family insured and it's just a little over $1200 a year.
Quick reply to this message
Old 02-15-2019, 11:48 AM
GionStrambo's Avatar
GionStrambo GionStrambo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Italy
Posts: 36
Thanks: 16
Thanked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clc79092 View Post
Here in Texas my current mortgage is $1600 per month, $500 per month vehicle insurance for 2 vehicles and $600 per month for health insurance. That does not cover internet, tv fuel, electric or anything else. This place is expensive just to live. Cheaper housing in this town of 10,000 people just does not exist.
As tennant I pay 300€ a month rent, for long term renting (resident there), if you are not working or doing business in Italy then you have to pay some health insurance (no idea how much is it), if you are working your boss pay for health insurance, if you have a business or you are self employed you pay health insurance with your taxes. For artisans and shop owners they are about 3700 € per year, they include pension contribution (retirement) and health insurance. It is not much but Italy is not a business friendly country, it is very complicated and there are many taxes, this is only ONE tax, then the VAT tax is 22%, a business owner is giving to italian State about 50% of their earnings . Vehicle insurance is very expensive there
Quick reply to this message
Reply

Bookmarks



Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Survivalist Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Gender
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Kevin Felts 2006 - 2015,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net