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Old 02-20-2018, 12:38 PM
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I am in the market for an AR-15, and the local gun store told me that I can add a muzzle break on the AR and still maintain compliancy with featureless.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:35 PM
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To my knowledge, yes. As long as it doesn't advertise that it also hides the flash.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:45 PM
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Confusing and poorly written laws like these are only used to entrap law abiding citizens.

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When you buy the brake make sure that the paperwork states that it is a break or compensator only, if says flash hider at all it does not count. Match that with a pinned stock and a fin type grip or non pistol grip stock and you are featureless. and good for non AW registration as far as i can tell.

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Old 04-28-2018, 10:51 PM
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I am in the market for an AR-15, and the local gun store told me that I can add a muzzle break on the AR and still maintain compliancy with featureless.
A lot of the permissibility comes down to constructive intent. Whatever the state construes your muzzle device to be and whatever they construe the meaning of the law to be will determine how you are treated.

In Connecticut, they were rather lax in enforcement last I knew. if a device served as a muzzle brake, they construed it to be a muzzle brake, at least as long as they weren't trying to "get" you for something. California may be entirely different.

Do also be aware that any device purporting to be a muzzle brake does, by virtue of redirecting the hot gases, also function to reduce the muzzle flash. So even if the device you buy doesn't purport to be a flash suppressor, your state may construe it to be one and the courts in CA are absolutely bat **** crazy, and may convict in ignorance.

Here there is a Department of Special Licensing and Firearms that will evaluate an accessory and often times will write you an opinion regarding its legal status. Do you have anything like that? If so, and they deem it to be a not a flash suppressor, you possibly gain an affirmative defense when they haul you before the magistrate.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:52 PM
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Political Correctness

These laws and terms like, "Assault Weapon", are purely political. Any determination will be done, after the police have seized your gun and evaluate it prior to trial or the preliminary hearing.

In order to prevent arrest and/or seizure of your property, you need to be able to defend it with evidence. Since most cops know little or nothing about guns and the laws in general, being prepared and being polite are going to go a long way to keep you out of trouble.

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With any "Featureless" build, I recommend that you keep a copy of the law and a list/spec sheets of the components that make the gun compliant. Having a professional looking packet and a copy of the law (and being helpful/polite) is going to go a long way with the police.

Calguns.net had a really good flow chart to determine if a gun was an "Assault Weapon". Might be a good idea to have a copy and diagram out your rifle, to make it easy for a third party to follow the chart.

Dealer Purchase Advantage

If you purchased the rifle as a fully compliant and featureless build, having a dated copy of the receipt and a copy of the manufacturer's spec sheet, showing the model is California compliant would be the best way to go. Buying a complaint gun, from a licensed dealer basically shows that you did everything reasonable to comply with the law and had a reasonable expectations that the licensed dealer would only sell legal, permitted firearms.

This could be an effective affirmative defense in court.

Prepare for the Worst

All else being equal, arresting you and taking your property, is always the safest way to go, for the police officer, if there is any doubt that you are 100% in compliance with the law. Police have better things to do than be the "gun police", however false complaints from crazy citizens or ex-spouses can trigger the SWAT Team, etc. So make sure that if/when they kick in your door, you are free of any contraband, etc.

Allowed to Leave

Relocating to Freedom is the best advice I can give you. I left the People's Republic in 2012 and will never go back. People get used to the slow suffocation of socialism and its effect on the human spirit.

If you own a California home, you can probably sell it and pay cash for a new home in another state. My best friend did exactly that a couple of months ago and he and his wife had jobs lined up before they left the state. He couldn't be happier.

You won't get paid as much in another state for doing the same job, but the lower taxes, less traffic and lower cost of living, plus freedom are not to be discounted.

Good Luck
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I am in the market for an AR-15, and the local gun store told me that I can add a muzzle break on the AR and still maintain compliancy with featureless.


You buying it from them?
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Brake or thread protector is kosher ( Flash Hider = Verboten )
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Step 1:
Move to a free State.
Step 2:
Buy whatever muzzle break you want.
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Step 1:
Move to a free State.
Step 2:
Buy whatever muzzle break you want.
Us Californians are becoming less and less welcome in free states these days. I suppose there is good reason for that.
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Configure legally ( rifle configuration with Monsterman grip or fin grip , rifle stock not collapsible , and brake instead of hider , and remove bullet button and replace with standard mag release set up and 10 round mag .= in compliance ... ( No registration needed )
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:34 PM
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The difference between the two are , On a flasher suppressor the end is the same size as the bullet, a compensater (muzzle break) is open,
They both have slits.. that's what I've been told and observed
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:40 PM
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I like the Thorsden stock it still feels like a pistol grip, also is the bayonet lug still a no no ? heaven forbid that you have a blade on the end of the weapon
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Bayo lug is ok .
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I think the original topic is pretty well covered but I want to hit this real quick.

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Us Californians are becoming less and less welcome in free states these days. I suppose there is good reason for that.
As long as you leave the Californian ways behind. Live, walk, talk and drive like the locals of where you go you will have no problems even in places like Alaska, Montana and North Idaho. Do what the locals do how they do it, even little things like wearing sunglasses or what kind of wallet you have can be dead giveaways you are an outsider or Californian.
It's the Californians (East Coaster's and Texans too) that don't adapt to the way things are done in a region that cause problems and have problems.


I am a resident in a free-er state and don't even have a brake or flashhider on my AR
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Why not put a Patriot Mag-lock or equivalent on the AR ? Using a Mag lock will keep it legal also.
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Why not put a Patriot Mag-lock or equivalent on the AR ? Using a Mag lock will keep it legal also.
Configure California Compliant and be able to drop mags with original mag release , you have to register otherwise .
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