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So another big iceberg is about to be created from the Brunt Ice Shelf...

sign of things to come... it took about 3 years for this thing to form. (with 100 years of growth in it)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t-iceberg.html

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Scientists say the break could trigger further retreat of the shelf. Without support from the McDonald Ice Rumples, the ice flow may get faster.
The resulting iceberg from the break will be about twice the size of New York City

This seems to mean that it is even bigger than the Larsen B iceshelf berg that was the size of Manhattan that made big news. This isn't getting headline attention but it is notable.


Also recent testing has shown that the largest glacier in East Antarctica that is now moving is on warm lake water, not ocean or bedrock.

Here is a National Geographic Article.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ff-antarctica/

Gives more sizing on this

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, a berg about 660 square miles wide and almost 500 feet thick will be released into the ocean
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That gives us hope.

If masses that large can break off, float out to sea and disappear, we can keep up hope.
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So another big iceberg is about to be created from the Brunt Ice Shelf...

sign of things to come... it took about 3 years for this thing to form. (with 100 years of growth in it)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t-iceberg.html




This seems to mean that it is even bigger than the Larsen B iceshelf berg that was the size of Manhattan that made big news. This isn't getting headline attention but it is notable.


Also recent testing has shown that the largest glacier in East Antarctica that is now moving is on warm lake water, not ocean or bedrock.

Here is a National Geographic Article.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ff-antarctica/

Gives more sizing on this
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Certainly.

Those on the coast may be first up though, or second after those in the low lying areas of the Midwest.
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Then we'll do what people have done for centuries when their home becomes unlivable.....move.

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Then we'll do what people have done for centuries when their home becomes unlivable.....move.

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Lol that is the other half of the crisis.... where is everyone moving to.. you know 1 million people migrating is a lot amplify that by 10 or 100 times and see how that goes.

Look at the humanitarian crisis in Syria and venzeula, that is only a few million.

Most of the US population lives along the coast. Shoreline accounts for 39% of the population in the US. Like 80% of the population within 70 miles.

Ocean rise would also be associated with total infrastructure failure in those areas.

Still plenty of time on this but I think you don't really see the whole deal.
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Certainly.

Those on the coast may be first up though, or second after those in the low lying areas of the Midwest.
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It wold be kind of fun to ride an iceberg providing both the supplies to survive and the means to launch a boat and find another.
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Lol that is the other half of the crisis.... where is everyone moving to.. you know 1 million people migrating is a lot amplify that by 10 or 100 times and see how that goes.

Look at the humanitarian crisis in Syria and venzeula, that is only a few million.

Most of the US population lives along the coast. Shoreline accounts for 39% of the population in the US. Like 80% of the population within 70 miles.

Ocean rise would also be associated with total infrastructure failure in those areas.

Still plenty of time on this but I think you don't really see the whole deal.
I live a few blocks from the beach. When it hits my front door I'll let you know.

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National Geographic is as left leaning as Maxine Waters.
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Unusual prepper response.
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I live a few blocks from the beach. When it hits my front door I'll let you know.

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You will probably lose internet connectivity shortly beforehand.
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You will probably lose internet connectivity shortly beforehand.
All crap on the internet anyway. So no biggie.

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Also this isn't world ending it is just a big drip, it may raised sea levels by half an inch at most but it is still early on in the breakup of Antarctica. Probably closer to 1/4 of an inch.

Larsen C trillion ton berg was maybe 1/16th or an 1/8th of an inch in global sea levels. the main problem is that these bergs hold back the glaciers... and the glaciers have way more water in them. it is also not a total collapse of the shelf just a large chunk of it.

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iceberg approximately 30 times the size of Manhattan – the area is estimated to be 1,700 sq. km.
For the metrically disabled that is about 650 square miles in area. Its the biggest one so far well since they started recording them in 1915.

A little bigger than half the size of Rhode Island. (the state not the island) State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations


So about 60% of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_...tes_(zoom).svg

The shelf itself is like new England or eastern us or something.


B15 was 4,000 square miles (bigger than Jamaica.) It took about 6 years for what was left of it to reach new Zealand. This is a smaller event, but still notable.
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Also this isn't world ending it is just a big drip, it may raised sea levels by half an inch at most but it is still early on in the breakup of Antarctica. Probably closer to 1/4 of an inch.

Larsen C trillion ton berg was maybe 1/16th or an 1/8th of an inch in global sea levels. the main problem is that these bergs hold back the glaciers... and the glaciers have way more water in them. it is also not a total collapse of the shelf just a large chunk of it.



For the metrically disabled that is about 650 square miles in area. Its the biggest one so far well since they started recording them in 1915.

A little bigger than half the size of Rhode Island. (the state not the island) State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations


So about 60% of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_...tes_(zoom).svg

The shelf itself is like new England or eastern us or something.


B15 was 4,000 square miles (bigger than Jamaica.) It took about 6 years for what was left of it to reach new Zealand. This is a smaller event, but still notable.
Technically, I believe floating ice has already done all the 'raising' of the ocean that will happen the second it starts floating. There would be a VERY small change in salinity that effects things, but it would be almost negotiable as far as displacement or volume. Most ice shelves are already floating structures, including a lot of the polar ice, especially in the north.
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So another big iceberg is about to be created from the Brunt Ice Shelf...

sign of things to come... it took about 3 years for this thing to form. (with 100 years of growth in it)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t-iceberg.html

This seems to mean that it is even bigger than the Larsen B iceshelf berg that was the size of Manhattan that made big news. This isn't getting headline attention but it is notable.

Also recent testing has shown that the largest glacier in East Antarctica that is now moving is on warm lake water, not ocean or bedrock.

Here is a National Geographic Article.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ff-antarctica/

Gives more sizing on this
I see that no one has explained glacier formation, and the affect of floating shore ice on ocean levels.

Antarctica is a Big damn continent, with very high mountain ranges. When a portion of the glacier ice gets pushed from these mountains, down to the ocean level, this indicates that more ice has accumulated in the mountains, not less.

If the total amount of glacier ice in Antarctica was being reduced, you would see the ice melting back from the ocean shore, leaving the terminal moraine behind.

You might try studying geology.
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Lol that is the other half of the crisis.... where is everyone moving to.. you know 1 million people migrating is a lot amplify that by 10 or 100 times and see how that goes.

Look at the humanitarian crisis in Syria and venzeula, that is only a few million.

Most of the US population lives along the coast. Shoreline accounts for 39% of the population in the US. Like 80% of the population within 70 miles.

Ocean rise would also be associated with total infrastructure failure in those areas.

Still plenty of time on this but I think you don't really see the whole deal.
Well, millions are moving here and we seem to happily accommodate them, houses, cars, healthcare, welfare, all kinds of 'free stuff'. Maybe we should just move to where they came from??
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National Geographic is as left leaning as Maxine Waters.

I've heard that all scientists are left leaning and the only people on this planet who understand science are businessmen.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...udy-ncna987116

Greenland glacier growing.
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We can all agree that from time-to-time the climate of the earth changes and that for several decades it has been in a warming trend. Climatic historians tell us that the last "global warming" came about in the 1300's and that it was a time of great prosperity in Europe until the advent of the Black Plague.

What has not been seen coming from the supporters of man-made global warming is any specific evidence that A.) Man caused it, or B.) Man can fix it. There has been a widespread inference that since we humans have put a lot of stuff into the air that we must be at fault and therefore if we put less stuff in the air then we can fix it. Inferences are not evidence. What precisely is the evidence that man did it and man can fix it?

Of course, the only solution for putting less stuff in the air is a massive redistribution of wealth via carbon emission taxes on wealth corporations and nations to be transferred to those who aren't wealthy (except for China, of course). Unfortunately, we have a very long record of both governments (especially 3rd world governments) and para-governments (the UN) being totally corrupt and that money sent to them rarely gets to those in real need so these redistribution plans are a sort of actual "welfare" for the thugs of the world.

I am old enough to remember very responsible members of the scientific community publishing copious articles on the coming ice age with all kinds of "proof" that we were in for a genuine global cooling and a repeat of glaciers in Illinois. Hope you'll forgive me if I chose not to get too excited about global warming.
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