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You may find this an interesting article.

http://www.airships.net/helium-hydrogen-airships/


"In actual use, because of physical realities and operational considerations, the use of helium can reduce an airshipís payload lift by almost half."

"Inflated with hydrogen, Hindenburg was able to carry 21,076 lbs of payload; if the ship had been inflated with helium it could not have made the flight at all."
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He and H2 will leak out of a regular balloon pretty fast.

Also, there is not much difference between He (MW4) and H2 (MW2) lifting power in air (MW 28.8). 28.8-4 is displaced by He, 28.8-2 is displaced by H2. 26.8 vs 24.8 lifting power delta is maybe 8% for a given balloon size.
Iíd reckon about everyone on this thread has large Mylar bags. Iíd also reckon some may already have a type of off grid electrical setup.

With care and thought a hydrogen and oxygen generator could be put together pretty easily. Iíd bet most of us had seen such in a beginners science class.
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Yes, tether it to keep it put. As such, it can be a long term surveillance instrument. Weather balloons (not sure of the size - webpage just said "weather balloons") can carry up to 6 pounds to thousands of feet. I have been looking - but not yet found it - a 6' blimp that is made up of 5 or 6 balloon tubes to use for surveillance purposes. Blimps can be turned into the wind so that there is less resistance. I want multiple tubes in the blimp so that if one balloon pops - or is shot, etc there are still 4 or 5 to keep it up. Blimps or balloons have larger payloads than drones and can stay up much, much longer than drones - days or even weeks.
Keep in mind you aren't doing that with "kite string" and the weight of the tether counts against the payload the balloon can lift.
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From what I had heard on the news the balloons used in Palestine were more likely to harm Palestinians than Israeli soldiers.

I think a kite would be more useful.

To use a balloon you need a lighter than air gas. In a SHTF situation hydrogen made by electrolysis would probably be the most accessible.

If you can get a kite high enough(half mile or so) it becomes a speck in the distance and can be kept in the sky for days even if the wind stops blowing at ground level.

Once you have the kite up you can send smaller flags up the kite string pulling up a second string and a payload. If it is done right if you give a sharp tug on the second string the payload will drop and if done right you can kind of control where it drops.

Either a kite or balloon could be used to send up an antenna.

With modern equipment you could maybe use either one to send up a camera.

You could attempt to use a kite an maybe a balloon to catch an unwanted drone. Dangle strings from it and try and steer it so the strings get tangled in the drones propellers.

They could be used for signaling. The signals could be as basic as, if the kite is flying we need help, or a different message depending on the color or some how use it to send Morris code.

They could be used for getting ropes/cables across gaps or up cliffs or trees.

Kites could be used for transportation. They are used in the winter on lakes around here to pull skiers. They can even tack up wind with them.

If you were up wind of your enemies and had a bunch of kites with some sort of incendiary device/ molitva cocktail and a way to drop the device at a specific distance it could be a effective weapon. Even if it didn't cause much harm it may cause them to retreat or cause confusion.

If the balloon or kite is large enough you could send people up to scout/watch the area.

They can be used for measuring/surveying.

For fishing a kite can be used in place of casting to get the line many hundreds of feet out or it can be used to "troll" back and forth while staying on shore.

Kites could be used for transporting cargo to a hard to reach are or to breach a siege or to get contraband into/out of an area.

They could be used for harvesting wind energy by getting a turbine up high enough to where the wind is almost always blowing.
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I can't see where they would be anything but a sloooooow moving target. ????
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Not exactly sure of it's SHTF application, but some Christian organizations use them in Korea to smuggle Bibles and other literature across the border to North Korea.
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Balloons make good targets, They are good for sending bait way out in the ocean or a river for fishing, a bunch of balloons flying overhead would make a good distraction, and they would make good signaling devices- use them to mark stuff up on the mountains around your place.
Problem I see is that all of my suggestions would need helium to fill the balloons, how many balloons can 1 bottle of that fill up.
They can be filled with Hydrogen also.
Don't smoke while filling.
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They can be filled with Hydrogen also.
Don't smoke while filling.
Where is this hydrogen faucet you speak of?

This guy has one.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ydrogen-house/

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The links in the article are defunct, but here is a link to electrolyzers and other hydrogen production and storage equipment.

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydroge...-electrolyzers
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Where is this hydrogen faucet you speak of?

This guy has one.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ydrogen-house/



The links in the article are defunct, but here is a link to electrolyzers and other hydrogen production and storage equipment.

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydroge...-electrolyzers
Hydrogen can also be easily made by running a current through water. It helps if the water isn't clean. The electric source can be as simple as a car battery.
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Fill a weather balloon or smaller with acetline and tie it off. You have got one hell of an insane device there You could put a tracer round into it from a distance.

Back in the 70s some of my not so bright friends filled a 6 ft ballon w gas and set it off at night. Knocked everyone on their butts 25 ft away, massive fireball and night blindness. Broke every window in the house, every mirror, every glass container in the kitchen, shower doors, knocked plants off shelves, broke picture frames and blew off 1/3 of the roof.

Yea boy, could have seen that one from space.

I was way far away behind a tree and still got knocked over and hit with a flying lawn chair

Don’t try this unless you are crazy. Or... have too, its like a 6 foot Claymore.
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Fill a weather balloon or smaller with acetline and tie it off. You have got one hell of an insane device there You could put a tracer round into it from a distance.

Back in the 70s some of my not so bright friends filled a 6 ft ballon w gas and set it off at night. Knocked everyone on their butts 25 ft away, massive fireball and night blindness. Broke every window in the house, every mirror, every glass container in the kitchen, shower doors, knocked plants off shelves, broke picture frames and blew off 1/3 of the roof.

Yea boy, could have seen that one from space

I was way far away behind a tree and still got knocked over and hit with a flying lawn chair

Donít try this unless you are crazy. Or... have too, its like a 6 foot Claymore.
Not just the acetylene use O2 as well. Though from the discription it sound like they did.

Create a neutral flame on your torch then snuff it out, fill the balloon from this mixture..... Here hold my EMPTY beer.....

Beer can bomb, with above neutral flame snuffed stick inside empty can for a few seconds, remove torch light torch and touch off side of can. It will banana peel the can also some shrapnel so.... anyway our notorious one upper did it with an upside down 1 gallon bucket, perforated an ear drum and knocked him on his ass.
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Not just the acetylene use O2 as well. Though from the discription it sound like they did.

Create a neutral flame on your torch then snuff it out, fill the balloon from this mixture..... Here hold my EMPTY beer.....

Beer can bomb, with above neutral flame snuffed stick inside empty can for a few seconds, remove torch light torch and touch off side of can. It will banana peel the can also some shrapnel so.... anyway our notorious one upper did it with an upside down 1 gallon bucket, perforated an ear drum and knocked him on his ass.
Yup there was a gas/ox mixture in the balloon, do not know what the exact mixture was. The guy that did it is dead, not from that incident but he did have a reputation of having others hold his beer while he......
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Sigh. Not even going to try this time.

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Sigh. Not even going to try this time.

Just my opinion.
No worries Jerry, as your knowledge & ideas do not go unnoticed and are appreciated! This thread does seem to be more along the lines of a mythological monster under a bridge though.
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