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It is interesting how people with this opinion feel differently when it is closer to home.

My mother was having a discussion with my wife the other night, and she mentioned that her union just approved a contract in which all employees pay the same for their healthcare. In other words my mother would have gotten a reduction since her youngest was turning 26 and off her medical plan, but because of the vote the amount she was going to pay would stay the same. She didn't think it was right that they all paid the same amount when they use a different amount of the services, etc. My pointed out that it sounded suspiciously like socialism, which my mother agreed with. The funny thing is my mother is a wholehearted supporter of Obama-care.
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Only if he's Sir Elton John.

Sorry, that low-hanging fruit just had to plucked.
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Human rights DO trump the law. But there seems to be a lively debate as to whether living where you want to live(on your own property) is a right.
"Human rights" is a leftist semantic weasel-word contortion meant to make people think about warm-n-fuzzy feelings as though they are natural rights. They start with vague shadows of natural law, then slip in the misshapen dagger of their sabotage, severing the arteries of our rights and flooding the body of our laws with their poison.

Please do not conflate natural rights with "human" "rights." Human rights are negative "rights," thus not rights at all, as they burden the absolute rights of others.
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More distracting prose from the leftists. In fact, they desire central planning, where the collective is more important than the individual. Anybody that spends more than a minute studying leftist tactics will find that statements like "it takes a village to raise a child" is only the tip of the iceberg. A famous quote concerning Bush's statement that Saddam's regime was evil, "Every liberal and leftist knows how to titter at such black-and-white moral absolutism" .


Don't fall for it.

Meanwhile, the leftists in power will gladly confiscate (stealing your life's work, and therefore your life) as much of your hard earned money as possible to pay for their agenda. Poor old Eunice needs dialysis, and Bertha needs 2 knee replacements. You can pay for it. You are already paying for Shaniqua's and her 8 children's food and housing needs.
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Human rights DO trump the law. But there seems to be a lively debate as to whether living where you want to live(on your own property) is a right.
When you are starving and cold and break down my front door don't be surprised by my less than gracious response to you taking my food and shelter and, at least where I live, the law is squarely on my side if I happen to ventilate the intruders.

When human rights trump the law chaos will follow.

Hmmm.... we are almost there now in some places.
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When you are starving and cold and break down my front door don't be surprised by my less than gracious response to you taking my food and shelter and, at least where I live, the law is squarely on my side if I happen to ventilate the intruders.

When human rights trump the law chaos will follow.

Hmmm.... we are almost there now in some places.
Is English your second language, or did you respond to the wrong post?
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I just ran across a statement from a progressive that may give insight into liberal thinking.

This is part of a conversation between a friend of mine and the progressive about illegal aliens, voting, drivers license, etc:
The "worth of all people" is an official core value of the faith tradition that Kyle and I dearly embrace. There are no specific official directives on how to interpret or act on that value but many see the Trump immigration approach as an abuse of that value. Perhaps that makes things a little clearer.

Human rights > "American rights" Funny that America makes the rules up on immigration and people being here "illegally", huh?

In other words, the law doesn't apply because they believe "human rights" trump the law. Illegals have as much right to be here as American citizens.

I wonder where that concept developed and where these people learned it. Their attitude in the conversation was one of superiority and condensation to anyone who disagreed.

"Houston, we have a problem." And there is no quick, easy, clean solution.

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Human rights are supposed to trump human law, see the Declaration of Independence.

The question is what are "human rights" versus what are merely "human desires".

I see no right for someone to cross borders and live in someone else's country where the the people of that country deliberately keep a border to stop undesired people from entering.

You see a lot of people who will claim that things are unconstitutional without having even a vague knowledge of what is in the constitution or for them to claim their "rights" are being violated just because they aren't getting exactly what they want when they want it. But the Constitution or human rights are not involved in any of their claims.
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Human rights are supposed to trump human law, see the Declaration of Independence.

The question is what are "human rights" versus what are merely "human desires".

I see no right for someone to cross borders and live in someone else's country where the the people of that country deliberately keep a border to stop undesired people from entering.

You see a lot of people who will claim that things are unconstitutional without having even a vague knowledge of what is in the constitution or for them to claim their "rights" are being violated just because they aren't getting exactly what they want when they want it. But the Constitution or human rights are not involved in any of their claims.
Natural rights trump any positive law made contrary to them, by the simple fact that no law can alter human nature, thus any facet of human nature that does not necessarily violate the equal rights of others is, itself, a right.

"Human" rights, on the other hand, is a Regressive illiberal term referring to the latitudes that their schemes purport to confer by necessarily violating the rights of others. They are ill-defined, internally inconsistent, and intellectually dishonest.

For example, many on the left believe that the right to life encumbers other peoples' rights. They believe that the right to life means that others must forfeit their liberty property against their will to ensure that others remain alive. This is the rationale behind "gun control." "What about the children at Newtown," they argue, "didn't they have a right to life?"

Others believe that they have an obligation to steal from the working to provide a standard of living to the "poor." They believe that I must have the hours and days of my kife, and the produce thereof, stolen to provide this "human right" to those who choose not to work.

These are the inherent dangers of human "rights."
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True. Folks no longer come to America for FREEDOM. They come for FREE STUFF.

I am for completely open borders when there is no longer FREE STUFF.
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This seems to be a very important concept as to how people feel about immigration.
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Is English your second language, or did you respond to the wrong post?
You posted: "Human rights DO trump the law. "

My response gave an illustration of how someone exercising their "human rights trumping the law" may have an adverse outcome, and I suspect most people on this forum would react the same way.

This country was founded on the concept of written law. When people decide they can ignore the law, as many do today, you have chaos. When chaos gets wide spread it can lead to anarchy/civil war, not a good outcome for anyone.

Is that clear enough? ....not confused.
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