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I write this with curiosity. I live in West Texas not far West Texas but in a ruraul area none the less. Our BOL is located away from the major populous but is close enough to people that I worry about it. What shouldy strategy be in regards to safety? Stay out of sight and keep the wife and kids locked up in the shelter( yeah right my wife would kill me before anyone else did). What are my other options? We plan on gardening and we have a well plus solar wind and a diesel generator. All of those things attract attention. My quandry, is a permanent BOL the answer or do we need to be planning on a nomadic lifestyle?
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Start working on passive security for your bol. Plant thorn bushes around the perimeter, make sure you have good lines of sight, night vision, and can barricade the road entrance, etc.

Next step is more active security.

A nomadic lifestyle will only be an option if there is a massive drop in population for some reason. It is not viable in this day and age. Security and resources would be way too inconsistent on the move.

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You are far safer staying put. Being on the move makes acquiring food, water and shelter far more difficult or even near impossible. Besides, you are always better off defending a fixed location than a spot on the open road chosen by ambushers.

asb is right. Surround your BOL with blackberry bushes. They grow fast and will deter intruders better than fences. As an added bonus they will also provide food in the summer.
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The diesel generator:
Can it be placed in an insulated shed, with a muffler on the exhaust (which would then be vented outdoors?)
That wouldn't make it silent, and if everything else is shut down, sound will stillcarry a long ways, but maybe that distance might be reduced.
Or maybe a windmill or solar panels, which would be visible, but quiet. The panels could be mounted on stands behind a fence instead of atop the house so that while they would still be visible from the air, they would be less visible from a scout on foot.



Otherwise, yes, a permanent BOL is going to be way more self-sufficient than foraging and scavenging. You might want to use some camoflaguing(sp) to make your place stand out a little less attractive. Just a thought.

There is no 100% solution, and the billion dollar bunker is out of the question for most of us, but for your money, a rural farming setup with a few defensive tricks is probably your best bet.
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Make the most visible part of your BOL a Marine Corps flag on a pole. Nothing says stay more than 500 yards away like that will.
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Start making relationships with any neighbors. Over the course of time get them to think of working together defensively.

There are about 10-12 homesteads along a 7 mile stretch of road, with lots of wilderness in both directions where I'm at. Since I was the newb in the community, I started by inviting folks over for BBQs about once a month. Then discussions about guns and hunting as everyone here has guns and hunts for subsistence. Pretty soon we were shooting together for fun. Then I got them into AKs and ARs. Now several have bought there own and others are talking about it and all have talked about working together against outsiders. The community has always been very protective against outsiders but we are now working together and have more firepower than before. But it did take a couple years to get to this.
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I write this with curiosity. I live in West Texas not far West Texas but in a ruraul area none the less. Our BOL is located away from the major populous but is close enough to people that I worry about it. What shouldy strategy be in regards to safety? Stay out of sight and keep the wife and kids locked up in the shelter( yeah right my wife would kill me before anyone else did). What are my other options? We plan on gardening and we have a well plus solar wind and a diesel generator. All of those things attract attention. My quandry, is a permanent BOL the answer or do we need to be planning on a nomadic lifestyle?
Phase out the noisy diesel generator and go to solar with a battery bank. Got friends? a MAG?
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Nomadic is harder\more threats\fewer resources.

For someone to get to me they would either have to cross very rough terrain which would take you a full day of hard hiking (not impossible, but I scorned "the view" in favor of being set back so my building is not visible) and have no power lines going to my property. (Assuming no google earth)

If someone's coming up the road they have several miles of steep road\4x4 trail (depending on the weather) with neighbors who will be calling ME for help before they get to me...
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As most have said BOL good, being a nomad or refugee Bad.

Lots of threads and info on this forum and around the net on how to make a BOL safe, defensible and even a great place to vacation and live.
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Just because you make it to the BOL doesn't mean Happy Ever After. You might need to go to an alternate at any time.

Skills and knowledge are the lightest things to pack on your back.

Security is tough for 2 people. Diesel noise can carry for miles, same for lights at night. The good news after 2 or 3 months there will be lots less dumb people, the bad news is the ones that are left will be smart and perhaps ruthless.
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Nomad life will kill most of your kids in a dire situation. Just check out the lines of refugees coming out of war-torn 3rd world countries. The routs are lined with the graves of the old and very young. Nomad is another word for refugee.

Plant thorny bushes around your perimeter at likely ingress areas, get a couple of dogs for early warning, make friends with your neighbors so there are more eyes AND someone who might show up if there's trouble.

In the mean time, nothings happening so settle in and enjoy life. If something should happen, you've chosen a spot the best you can now make a stand.
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Thanks for all the responses. Our place is off of a highway and secluded. But not in rough terrain by any means so defensive measures will be a must. I like the community approach as well. The diesel generator is fairly quiet and would be a back up from the solar and wind. I know I'm over thinking this a ton.
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The diesel generator is fairly quiet and would be a back up from the solar and wind. I know I'm over thinking this a ton.
Just an observation from the generator (and not slamming it as everyone around here has one for backup), it is louder than you think. Those low frequencies carry a long distance.

Have a person or group (don't know as they don't socialize with any of us) that live in a tent about 4 miles from my place. They run a generator a lot (likely their only power source). I can hear it just as loud as the coyotes less than 100 yards from my house. It is probably quiet to them.

Go to a bar with a live band playing and stand outside. Or a large outside concert venue miles away. Or the guy next to you on the road with his speaker volume on max. All you hear are the low frequencies.

Also, nothing wrong with overthinking things. Better to do that than not think about things and miss something important.
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Thanks for all the responses. Our place is off of a highway and secluded. But not in rough terrain by any means so defensive measures will be a must. I like the community approach as well. The diesel generator is fairly quiet and would be a back up from the solar and wind. I know I'm over thinking this a ton.
It might be a good idea to build a (reinforced) concrete enclosure for the generator: generator stealing during emergencies is a big business. If I had one, I would go further (under WROL) and run it from within the house. It would have to be run once in several months for two hours, and redirect the exhaust is a peace of cake.
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I write this with curiosity. I live in West Texas not far West Texas but in a ruraul area none the less. Our BOL is located away from the major populous but is close enough to people that I worry about it. What shouldy strategy be in regards to safety? Stay out of sight and keep the wife and kids locked up in the shelter( yeah right my wife would kill me before anyone else did). What are my other options? We plan on gardening and we have a well plus solar wind and a diesel generator. All of those things attract attention. My quandry, is a permanent BOL the answer or do we need to be planning on a nomadic lifestyle?
Any way you slice it has downsides. Security is obscurity. Speed is repetition of simplicity. If you can get to your BOL, so can anyone else. So the concept to me is more of a waypoint and better be far away from your actual home. You are using it to put distance between yourself and what you are running from. It's just part of a greater plan. BOLs as people seem to classify them, are remote, which makes them isolated. An isolated target is a lower risk target.

Thus I think BOLs as a waypoint are fine as long as you arrive first. Long term... the odds are against you though. You can't obscure your BOL if you are planning some sort of infrastructure. Just the way the world is now.
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Any way you slice it has downsides. Security is obscurity. Speed is repetition of simplicity. If you can get to your BOL, so can anyone else. So the concept to me is more of a waypoint and better be far away from your actual home. You are using it to put distance between yourself and what you are running from. It's just part of a greater plan. BOLs as people seem to classify them, are remote, which makes them isolated. An isolated target is a lower risk target.

Thus I think BOLs as a waypoint are fine as long as you arrive first. Long term... the odds are against you though. You can't obscure your BOL if you are planning some sort of infrastructure. Just the way the world is now.
The real point of a BOL (whether people get it or not) is to lower the number of potential enemies. One STILL needs to prevail over the enemies that do exist.
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Make the most visible part of your BOL a Marine Corps flag on a pole. Nothing says stay more than 500 yards away like that will.
Is the OP a Marine? Expect some very awkward conversations if not.
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I think in most scenarios, the whole point of a BOL is to have a place to make a permanent encampment of some sort where you can rebuild a life. If you are going to go nomadic, why bother with a BOL; just stay on the move.
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My plan is to stay put on my property, too much time and effort invested in fortifications to cut and run. If I'm caught away when SHTF I have a well planned out route of bins to take shelter in on my way home.
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