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A break action single shot shotgun weighs around 5.5 lbs. and can be easily broken down to a very compact length.
While .22 rifles weigh around the same, most cannot be broken down, so its portability isn't quite so good.
The shotgun can yield a more powerful load for both hunting and protection.
In the end, the only real advantage the .22 has over the shotgun is more ammo can be loaded in the same space and for any given number of rounds, the .22 ammo will be lighter in weight.
Do what you want, but that doesn't seem like much of an advantage to me.
...btw, if you choose a shotgun, make it a 12 gauge. More different variations of ammo exist in 12 gauge than any other.



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Everyone has an opinion. During hunting season I use shotguns extensively. There loads for just about anything. Btw, I see no reason the shoot a black powder cartridge in a shotgun as you gain little. I would prefer to carry a ready revolver over cartridge adapters.
In a survival situation It could go either way. In open country I would prefer a shotgun as anything you shoot is probably going to be flying or running fast. Neither one would give you any range on big game. In a woods or populated area I would prefer a .22 rifle. A CZ for ruggedness and accuracy. Either way I would want a .357 revolver along. Since the op just asked about about just those two I will no go into other options. Except maybe a shotgun and a target .22 pistol. As a defense weapon a shotgun is better. As a stealth weapon a .22 is better.
Just my opinion. The thing is to make do with what you have.
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I do have a breakdown .22 rifle that barely weighs 4 lbs. it is a bolt action with a rotary magazine. It is pretty accurate. Way more than a Henry Survival rifle. It is a Daisy.
I don't think it is rugged enough for survival. It's mostly plastic.
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Pros and cons of shotguns vs a 22 rifle for a secondary long arm in a bug out shtf scenario. Would the extra weight of a shotgun and ammo be justifiable as it's "more suitable" for a defensive scenario?
You're comparing a shotgun to a 22lr "for a defensive scenario"? What are you defending against with a 22lr? Marauding chipmunks and squirrels?
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What is the "primary" rifle?
Sadly enough. The "main battle rifle" is a 1917 Winchester post war (serial # is in the 4 millions so it was made november or December of 1918) money being tight combined with me leaving for boot camp this fall made me sell off everything else. In that perspective, I'm hoping the fit doesn't hit the shan while fulfilling my enlistment. If it came down to myself and family or uncle sam who knows what could happen
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a shotgun is great for when you get to where your going

put 200 rounds in a bag and pick it up and see what I mean

plan on doing lots of roaming...22 rules
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You're comparing a shotgun to a 22lr "for a defensive scenario"? What are you defending against with a 22lr? Marauding chipmunks and squirrels?
I'd be lying if I said I'd trust a 22 to save my skin but I'd be comfortable with it if that's all that was on hand. Spending many a day in the woods with a stock 10/22 in my hands it came to be squirrelmageddon lol being able to put 10 rounds of cci mini mag in a one inch group out to 40ish yards off hand could come in handy if the dead rise and have bullet proof skulls so only a shot in the eye will kill them twice dead😂
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I have to go with a 12 gauge as the most versatile and ideal weapon. I've been on the receiving end of both during my LE career and have to tell ya' that the psychological effect of a slug busting thru the air at you is a hell of a lot more demoralizing than the crack of a .22 having already passed. There are many things that can be killed with one shot of a 12 gauge that a .22 would just **** off. However, it's all personal choice and what you are most comfortable with .
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Survival in the woods it must be the shotgun for hunting. For combat in the city its the 22 with tons of ammo in my pouch. I have a nylon 66 holds 15 rounds and can be speed loaded by dumping rounds out of an aluminum arrow shaft. Shotgun don't scare me at 80+ yards.
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Get a .410/.22 over under. Best of both worlds.
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I have a stainless steel Springfield Armory M6 Scout in .410 and .22 Hornet. The .22 Hornet through that little take down rifle is good to about 100 yards. Accuracy drops off past that distance.

Makes for a nice survival weapon in a pinch or a pack gun by design.
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I'm seriously not trying to be a jerk here, so please don't take this the wrong way.

I have to imagine (and I could be wrong) that anyone that says they would carry a shotgun with them while bugging out on foot has never actually been backpacking or worn their bug out bag for an extended period of time. A fully loaded multi day pack is pretty darn heavy. Adding a shotgun and a couple boxes of ammo is going to increase the weight you're carrying significantly. Unless you are an experienced hiker/backpacker and in shape, chances are you're not going to go to far. Either as a result of being too darn tired and taking breaks constantly from carrying all that weight that you aren't used to, or from a mechanical injury, again, because your body is not acclimated to carrying 40-50 pounds for any amount of distance.

I'd take the .22 every single time. Someone mentioned 6 pounds for a Mossberg shotgun is nothing....try adding six pounds to the weight of a already fully loaded multi day pack, then walk 12 miles a day for only 2-3 days and then tell me if it's nothing.
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With my Anschutz everything at 100 yards will be hit with one shot.
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I'm not trying to split hairs... but plenty of deer get taken every year with a smooth bore 12ga at +100m. And not with special ammo. I took one in Iowa with plain old Federal 2-3/4 1oz slugs. "Effective Range" of a shotgun is greater than what you might read online. Most people that actually hunt know this. Toss special ammo in the mix (Sabots or Brek 3" slugs) and range and accuracy go up.

As for "hiking with firearms"... I had a great deal of experience toting around two firearms on foot. I bet many on here have. Last time I toted a **shotgun** for a few days was an Alaska trip. I didn't have 100 shells on me. I carried maybe 20 total including what was loaded in the shotgun. I did not attach my shotgun to my pack. Plain old "African Carry". Don't know man; I didn't have problems that way.
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I'm relatively content with my mossberg flex 22 in most situations
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I take both. M6 .410 with a .22

Lots of carry option and ammo choices.
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I have a stainless steel Springfield Armory M6 Scout in .410 and .22 Hornet. The .22 Hornet through that little take down rifle is good to about 100 yards. Accuracy drops off past that distance.

Makes for a nice survival weapon in a pinch or a pack gun by design.
When I first read the op's question, this was my first thought, but it seemed they were trying to choose between one or the other, so I thought the combo gun wouldn't be a appropriate answer.
...however, since you brought it up, I can't think of a better survival weapon than the M6.
I love the idea of the trigger on that gun. The Chiappa version did away with that when they changed the design.
The only other change I would suggest would be to change the .410 to 28 ga.
The round isn't a whole lot larger but offers superior performance.
28 ga./.22 hornet M6 combo gun always sounded like a great idea to me.



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With my Anschutz everything at 100 yards will be hit with one shot.
Same is true of my $60 Savage Mark II.

The question is, will it be stopped. With the right shot, sure. But the shotgun does that better.

My issue is, in my AO, 100 yard shots are short range, so I'd prefer more leg than either the .22 or the shotgun offers.



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The only other change I would suggest would be to change the .410 to 28 ga.
The round isn't a whole lot larger but offers superior performance.
28 ga./.22 hornet M6 combo gun always sounded like a great idea to me.

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Why go backwards?

My Model 24 is in .223 over 20 Gauge.

But it's a heavy unit.
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ajole,

Who's going backwards?
I was referring to the M6.
I'm glad you're happy with your Model 24.
More power 2ya.


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ajole,

Who's going backwards?
I was referring to the M6.
I'm glad you're happy with your Model 24.
More power 2ya.


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I have a 20...going to the 28 would be "backwards" for me, regardless of the gun it is in...


It was a joke.
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