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Came across this unusual defensive cane on the Net today.
Looks interesting and is definitely in the non-lethal category of defensive tools.

The super light weight coupled with the strength of the stick makes it worth a closer look.

http://www.blackswiftsticks.com/
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Came across this unusual defensive cane on the Net today.
Looks interesting and is definitely in the non-lethal category of defensive tools.

The super light weight coupled with the strength of the stick makes it worth a closer look.

http://www.blackswiftsticks.com/
Actually, you would want a stick with more mass (weight).
The heavier the stick is, the more damage it can cause, but the slower it is.
If the stick is too light, people will just walk through it.

There is always a trade off.
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Actually, you would want a stick with more mass (weight).
The heavier the stick is, the more damage it can cause, but the slower it is.
If the stick is too light, people will just walk through it.

There is always a trade off.
Nah.
People don't walk through Sjamboks, and these sticks are very similar.
The heavier Blackswift stick weighs about the same as an Escrima stick.
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I actually agree with eskrima to the extent that if you look at the product they offer 2 models and the second on, the raven is twice as heavy, and for my opinion (sight unseen) would be the better of the two to wield. At that weight, I think it seems a decent product
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Nah.
People don't walk through Sjamboks, and these sticks are very similar.
The heavier Blackswift stick weighs about the same as an Escrima stick.
I use to participate in full contact stick fighting (dogbrothers). you would be surprised what people walk through. Also, quite a few folks lost their sticks during the fights.
the diameter and possible slickness of the staff seems that it might difficult to hold onto.

I have not used these items, I am just basing my opinion from my experience.
So I could be way off base.
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I have a 1 inch hickory shepherd's hook that I shortened a bit and wrapped a handle onto.
I pity the fool that messes with me and my pimp cane!
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Came across this unusual defensive cane on the Net today.
Looks interesting and is definitely in the non-lethal category of defensive tools.

The super light weight coupled with the strength of the stick makes it worth a closer look.

http://www.blackswiftsticks.com/
this is like a Shillelagh but held upside down, no grip on the stick which is probably the reason why they hold it upside down and the thinness of it no matter how strong will do more harm than good. with traditional Shillelagh you hit with the ball and its almost always hooked in some fashion so you can grab with it.
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I have a 1 inch hickory shepherd's hook that I shortened a bit and wrapped a handle onto.
I pity the fool that messes with me and my pimp cane!
Now that is a cane.
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I've seen those before, and I don't think mucho them. Way to lightweight and whippy, more like an old fashioned buggy whip. I carry a stick for defense, and I really prefer a heavy Irish Blackthron or American hornbeam, also called ironwood. I want to be able to break arm/wrist bones to have immediate effect on an attacker, and I don't think those lightweight things will work. May actually make him really mad!

I like to make my won. Below from left, maple, hornbeam, hickory, hornbeam, and blackthorn.



Get a good sturdy stick, get some kendo or escrima training and walk with confidence.
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I've seen those before, and I don't think mucho them. Way to lightweight and whippy, more like an old fashioned buggy whip. I carry a stick for defense, and I really prefer a heavy Irish Blackthron or American hornbeam, also called ironwood. I want to be able to break arm/wrist bones to have immediate effect on an attacker, and I don't think those lightweight things will work. May actually make him really mad!

I like to make my won. Below from left, maple, hornbeam, hickory, hornbeam, and blackthorn.



Get a good sturdy stick, get some kendo or escrima training and walk with confidence.
where do you get your raw material ?
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I gathered the raw material from the woods in my pafrt of the U.S. The blackthorn came from a little shop in Dublin, Ireland.

I'll go in the woods with a small hatchet and garden trowel and look for a sapling the right size for a walking stick. Then I dig down and see what kind of root knob it has for a handle. If it's a good one, then I chop it loose and put it down the basement to season for several months to a year. Then I sand and shape the root for a good handle and varnish the shaft, usually with Spar Urathane to seal it.
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Check out osage wood.
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I've seen those before, and I don't think mucho them. Way to lightweight and whippy, more like an old fashioned buggy whip. I carry a stick for defense, and I really prefer a heavy Irish Blackthron or American hornbeam, also called ironwood. I want to be able to break arm/wrist bones to have immediate effect on an attacker, and I don't think those lightweight things will work. May actually make him really mad!

I like to make my won. Below from left, maple, hornbeam, hickory, hornbeam, and blackthorn.



Get a good sturdy stick, get some kendo or escrima training and walk with confidence.
Your handcrafted sticks look great it takes some skill , you must be very pleased with them.
For defensive walking you can't beat a blackthorn shillelagh, with extra lead for thwacking.

Some fine examples here - http://www.oldeshillelagh.com
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Your handcrafted sticks look great it takes some skill , you must be very pleased with them.
For defensive walking you can't beat a blackthorn shillelagh, with extra lead for thwacking.

Some fine examples here - http://www.oldeshillelagh.com
Those in the link look great!

The stout walking stick is a perfect urban weapon in that's under the radar, and is right there already in you hand when things get hinky. Used against joints and soft areas, it can be a very immediately effective tool for ending an assault right then.
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