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In Columbus Ga some years back a bouncer killed a guy in a bar with a maglite by bashing in his skull. Does that count?
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They're a great deterrence. Traveling Interstate 95 from N.J.-Florida bringing my elderly mother-in-law to her condo for the winter and back in the spring (before she passed away) and our trip last June my wife and I both wield 2 & 3 "D" cell Mag-Lites. Most of our driving is done as night, we've gotten a few "stares" from people in Rest Areas as we approached the restrooms but NO ONE has dared "test" us, had they she and I would've "enlightened" them with more than the flashlight (knife in one hand, Maglite in the other).
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They work very well.I watched a very good friend of mine use a 3 cell mag light on a very large bully.This man had threatened and beat him up several times before.One swat on the head down he went.Off to the er for stitches.He didnt bother him again.I have killed deer with my 6 cell.a car had hit a deer broke its legs everyone standing there staring at it,one swat put it in my truck thanked them left them waiting for the tow truck.I would not want to be on the receiving end.
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In Columbus Ga some years back a bouncer killed a guy in a bar with a maglite by bashing in his skull. Does that count?
+1 on the maglite.
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A maglite isn't a tactical flashlight, it's just a flashlight.

A tac-light is normally considered to be one that has those silly prongs on the top or bottom, or one that can be fitted to a firearm.

Hit someone on the head with a maglite and, depending on the circumstances, you could well find yourself facing a murder charge.
It's happened a number of times.
The bigger mags are heavier than the majority of police batons and are capable of doing more damage...something to remember if you need to use one in a self-defence situation.
We use small mags at work and use our batons for baton work when the need arises.

Note to the poster who said he and his wife walk to the toilets at night with a knife in one hand and a maglite in the other...any police officer who sees you doing that is going to draw down on you just on general principle.
Or did you mean that you carry the knives in your pockets, out of sight?...much better idea, you might live longer that way.

The perfect maglite used to be the six C cell, but they have been discontinued, don't know why, they were the perfect solution between a flashlight and a baton.
I've still got mine.
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I have a three D cell Maglite that I have carried in hand at night a few times when I felt my safety wasn't as assured as normal. Never had to knock anyone with it. Now I carry concealed.

I need to get a LED Maglite.
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When I was a LEO we had a memo come out to not use flashlights as weapons period because of the damage they can inflict. Shortly after that I hit a guy with my $1200 radio there was no memo on that.
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Years ago my department adopted a "weapons of necessity" policy, meaning any weapon was acceptable. I've left the word "Streamlight" impressed in a few places.
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I use a led lenser (200+ lumens) at night for shining in dark places and see it as a 'shield'. The 'sword' is a heavy object in my right fist.

I require both objects for my work so they arn't classed as 'weapons' here. That gives me the piece of mind to use them if required.

Haven't had to get punchy with them yet thankfully, but the flashlight may have diffused a few situations before they became ugly.
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I bent a 4 D Maglite over someone once. he wanted to take my tools from my van I did not want him too

the discussion was very sort

"wtf" whollop, end of conversation !!!

I did not hang around for the next sentence.

personally I don't head shots for any thing as a guy my size normally does more damage than is required. I aim for collar bones, knee caps and fore arms and hands more that I would aim a Maglite to someone's head
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Lot of heavy Mag Lite talk. Given me some ideas. My idea of a tactical flashlight is a Fenix LD20/22. This is for going out at night. Bars, clubs, etc. Sure as hell packs a walloup as a item to carry in the palm. That sharp end of it is also terrific for kuboton type attacks. It's SOS mode is great for imitating bouncers during a bar brawl.
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Yes, sort of. I was in Italy with a Boys Choir. We were shadowed by a bunch of immigrant "street vendors"....the boys were not very discrete about handling their money and the vendors were very aggressive.....I told them to leave the kids alone-in French, which they understood and I think it surprised them....They still continued to shadow us even after I cussed them out pretty well...Finally I pulled my Surefire and gave them 200 Lumens in the eyes, it was late in the evening and dark...It got their attention and they then left us alone.
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If we're including Mag Lights then, yes, I have on a few occasions. Never hit the head, but used it like a proper baton (common peronial, forearm, etc.). I prefered using an actual baton but if the maglight was what was in my hand (normally carried a 2 or 3 D cell but on occation had a 5 D Cell ... All you had to do was lift an just relax your arm and let it fall under it's own power. One whack usually took the fight right out of someone.

If we're going to restrict it to smaller, pocketable lights then yes, again. I've used them to dazzle which is not as awesomely effective as the ads tell you but it does ruin their night vision and if they can't see you well they can't fight (or run) as well. I've used little "tac lights" and espcially the Mini-mags and similar (used to have one with a tail-cap switch) as yawara ("Kubaton") for joint-locks and pressure points. I read somewhere that the Mini-Mag was intentionally designed to be very close to the size of the "Kuboton" (a commercially produced short Yawara stick).

I was always of a mind that you should be able to use as a weapon pretty much anything you're likely to have at hand (especially IN hand) that can possibly be pressed into a a weapon. I agree with Hedgerowpete and Jaquama, avoid the noggin unless you're life is in danger. Just a good whack there, depending on your location and totality of circumstances can land you in very hot water (plus, severe trauma aside, some folks don't drop as fast to a bump on the noggin as they do to strikes and jabs in other places ... weird).
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A maglite isn't a tactical flashlight, it's just a flashlight.


Note to the poster who said he and his wife walk to the toilets at night with a knife in one hand and a maglite in the other...any police officer who sees you doing that is going to draw down on you just on general principle.
Or did you mean that you carry the knives in your pockets, out of sight?...much better idea, you might live longer that way.


You misunderstood me, the knives are NOT held in our hands but easily accessible sweatshirt pocket. At 6'3" 200 lbs I don't have many problems when traveling, usually just a "look" is enough to discourage panhandlers and scammers though every once in a while a stern voice warns away those that persist.

Our instincts have been good, we ran across the Beltway (Muslim) Snipers outside Ashland Va. after they shot a husband escorting his wife to a restaurant where we usually gassed up and ate on our way south, we immediately knew they were up to no good. I had decided on this trip to fuel the two cars at the last Service Area in Maryland on Interstate 95 South so I wouldn't have to get off the highway in either Maryland or Virginia, doing what I did got us into North Carolina before needing to refuel.

Muslim John Muhammad and his "Son of Obama", Lee Boyd Malvo, parked next to one of our two vehicles at the Rest Area, as I was taking a leak Malvo came in the restroom and proceeded to take a bath in the sink. Outside neither would make eye contact, Muhammad walked eight cars down and used the side entrance to access the restroom. We were parked in the Handicap space and the regular one next to it just outside the facility, he wouldn't pass by me or my Rottie (we were providing security for my then 80+ yr old mother-in-law and my wife).

If I didn't reside in N.J. I'd have been able to legally protect us with a firearm but getting a CCW permit in the Garden State is for all intents and purposes impossible unless one is a retired cop or well connected politically.

We often encounter police in Rest Areas when traveling especially at night they have seen both the knife when it's in a sheath on my belt and the large flashlights and have never said a negative word to either of us. Outside N.J. we typically get smiles or as in a couple cases the officer has said "it's nice to see someone prepared".
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i think the idea behind the taclites is neat, but relies larglely on intimidation or pain compliance. if size/weight is an issue, then go with a smaller light...

but if i'm working a night shift, i always carry my Maglite (with my Streamlight on my belt). it's big, works well, and is intimidating. but people aren't intimidated by a Maglite because it might hurt if i jam it into a pressure point, they're intimidated because they know if can KO them, break bones, etc..


i'm not trying to get down on the idea of less-lethal weapons.... i just dislike most weapons based off pain compliance, due to my dealings with people on meth/drugs, crazy, adrenaline, etc...


but anyway, any flashlight is a good idea for a bunch of reasons other than as a defense tool. just like any gun or knife, the best light is the one you'll carry with you...
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Our instincts have been good, we ran across the Beltway (Muslim) Snipers outside Ashland Va. after they shot a husband escorting his wife to a restaurant where we usually gassed up and ate on our way south, we immediately knew they were up to no good. I had decided on this trip to fuel the two cars at the last Service Area in Maryland on Interstate 95 South so I wouldn't have to get off the highway in either Maryland or Virginia, doing what I did got us into North Carolina before needing to refuel.

Muslim John Muhammad and his "Son of Obama", Lee Boyd Malvo, parked next to one of our two vehicles at the Rest Area, as I was taking a leak Malvo came in the restroom and proceeded to take a bath in the sink. Outside neither would make eye contact, Muhammad walked eight cars down and used the side entrance to access the restroom. We were parked in the Handicap space and the regular one next to it just outside the facility, he wouldn't pass by me or my Rottie (we were providing security for my then 80+ yr old mother-in-law and my wife).
My wife and I were headed back to NOVA the night of the Ashland shooting. We barely escaped the traffic jam that came from the shut down of I-95.
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Not sure why a maglite is not a tactical flashlight. Because you can't mount a larger one to a weapon? No butt switch? You can use a bright one to temporarily blind someone though.

Anyway, I've used my old maglight, (a 3 C-cell version), twice in self defense. Both times while working on my rescue squad. Both times were patients under the influence of something. Both times it was no big deal as it was just a block, not some butt kicking thing, after which me and and a partner, (or another time me and a cop), restrained the person. In neither case did I significantly hurt someone else. But I was able to block a couple wild punch arm swings at me.

Another time I used my "tactical clipboard" to block a punch. Typically, if I think someone might be a problem and I have to sit near them I keep it on my lap both to protect some of my favorite parts and easy to block that way.

Just to anticipate the question... why not restrain such folks earlier, the answer is you really can't. Making the judgment that the person is a "clear and present danger to themselves or others" and then restraining them - basically arresting them; taking away their freedom - is a super big deal. The only times I've done this has been with police assistance.

I've not had opportunity - and hope I don't - to use my small Surefire, and I'm not sure it would work as well as the Maglite. That is, I'm sure I could hurt someone badly with the Surefire. But I don't think it would be as good for defense due to it's smaller size. The Maglite could certainly be a formidable club. But you don't have to use it that way. And I didn't. I'm a volunteer medic who on a couple of very, very rare occasions had to protect myself; not a street fighter.
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I had a dog come at me one time. Thumped him on the head with a maglite, knocked him silly. To this day the dog won't come past their fence or straighten his eyes out.
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