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We do not usually see many cold temps here.

About two months of -5F lows to 10F highs, and 2 weeks of -20F lows to -5F highs.

I am out in it everyday. Only on days when it drops below -10F do I need to think about putting on a heavy coat, or sweater.

Wool socks, wool pants, wool shirt, silk underwear, wool hat, and wool mittens are fine.

Granted when it gets really cold, you do then need a sweater and jacket, layers are important. But not so long as it stays above -5F or -10F.


If we begin seeing much lower temps I may consider trying the polys again. I have wore them before, maybe there have been improvements made in the last 5 or 10 years.
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We do not usually see many cold temps here.

About two months of -5F lows to 10F highs, and 2 weeks of -20F lows to -5F highs.
Not cold at all
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I always go with a base layer of merino wool. It simply works best of all the cold weather items I have used. Outer layers may be synthetic but I want the wool next to my skin.

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Another good property of wool is it doesnt hold body odour as much as synthetics and cotton so when you come home your wife/girlfriend want turn her nose up. Hay sex is important
So your wife can't smell the sheep you have been with?
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Wool isn't windproof, but fleece is often bound to a windproof synthetic layer. I'd still take wool with a gortex over layer.
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Both. They are both nice.
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I will challenge anybody here to camp and hike with me up here in Wyoming in subzero temperatures.
I'll wear all my plastic and you can wear your wool. We'll be out for a couple days or more.
Besides smelling like a [email protected]#$%^& range maggot your clothing will either be soaked or frozen solid by tthe third day.
The modern synthetics are so vastly superior to wool it isn't even a consideration any more for the more experienced winter enthusiast!!
^ totally jealous of the wool.

Synthetics are capable of performing better than wool, I'll give you that, but got DAYUMN does that sleeping bag stink after the third day, LOL.
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lol ForestBeeKeeper has a stick up his ass about this wool/fleece issue. i wear both. wool undershirt, fleece hoodie, down or synthetic jacket depending on time of year, gore-tex rain shell. for the record, my mother-in-law has 40 sheep and 14 alpacas, and she makes her own wool stuff too. it makes good hats and mittens.
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Not cold at all
No, not really. Other posters live in much colder regions.

In my travels I have been in much colder regions.
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I always thought wool was warmer than fleece, now I'm hearing fleece is warmer than wool. I know wool insulates even when wet, but does fleece insulate when wet?

Whats your opinion, wool or fleece?
Depends on what you will be doing in it.

Wool is good for some activities and fleece is better for others.

I prefer fleece in activites that require a lot of exertion like backcountry skiing, snowshoeing, backpacking. Much lighter and less moisture holding capacity than wool helps here.

Wool great for ice fishing, snowmobiling, general around home/camp work.

Both have their attributes, I use both depending on the activity.

And don't rule out down for warmth although pricey.
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The argument between folks that say fleece is cotton and the others that say fleece is synthetic---- you're both right. I've been shopping for synthetic fleece bottoms for my DH and when I view "fleece pants" half the ones I view are cotton. Buyer beware.

I wear both and like both. I just stay away from cotton.
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The argument between folks that say fleece is cotton and the others that say fleece is synthetic---- you're both right. I've been shopping for synthetic fleece bottoms for my DH and when I view "fleece pants" half the ones I view are cotton. Buyer beware.

I wear both and like both. I just stay away from cotton.
Yeah, you have to read the label. I read the label on just about everything before I buy it. There are some new cottons out there now, that are said to perform really well, that don't hold on to moisture like traditional cotton does. Under Armor is making some garments with it now, so if anyone has any experience with these, I for one, would like to hear about them; perhaps I'll try some out next season myself.

The main issue with wool, as stated above, is that it doesn't transport moisture as well as synthetics do; and like most natural fabrics, it holds on to moisture too. So in really cold environments your garments can wind up just freezing from your own condensation. And for strenuous activity, synthetics just work better for this reason.

The best option is just to have as much versatility as you can afford to have. It doesn't have to be the most expensive on the market either. There are lots of affordable options on the market now.
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And don't rule out down for warmth although pricey.
Of course down isn't ruled out since it's several times warmer than either fleece or wool in terms of either warmth/weight or warmth/bulk. The problem with down is that wearing it in cold weather while very active can quickly result in sweat vapors condensing in the insulation and collapsing the down. If you use vapor barrier clothing you can still wear down while active. The same vapor barrier can be used with wool and fleece too, and is a good idea. While fleece and wool may be "warm" (not as cold) when wet, it's much better if it can be kept dry.
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51% of my vote goes to wool. Polartec is nice because it dries fast, if it gets wet: wring it out 'n spin overhead. Some warmth value, not as much as wool. Cotton has none- or even a negative value... Wool doesnt melt with a cigarette ash. Wool will smell like wool, not BO after a weeks wear. BUT wool is bulky and heavy compared to polarfleece. Watch wool with hot water though, it shrinks- unless you get an XXXL sweater 'n shrink it- shrunk wool is awesome!!
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Fleece is not cotton.It is recycled plastic milk bottles. It will melt and burn when exposed to flame.Fleece doesn't hold water very much and is easier to dry.
Fleece lets wind through,wool doesn't. Wool is hard to burn,wool blocks wind better.Wool holds more water,and is harder to dry.

Just my experience.
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Default I wear both.

For years I was a huge fleece and synthetic fan, then I discovered merino wool. for base layers nothing is better than wool, imo. Synthetics just start to stink way too fast. I was sick in bed for a couple weeks after Thanksgiving this year and I only wore my wool undies. Didn't wash then once and no B.O. Wool also insulates very well for its weight. What feels like a light piece that shouldn't keep me warm at al does very well in a wide range of temps.

That being said, I only use fleece as a mid layer under my shell when it is very cold. When I have a shell to protect from the wind(which is fleece doesn't do) fleece ends up being a good choice.
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Thanks everybody for your opinion. I still would go with WOOL because I believe it is warmer than fleece also. I am going to look into wool clothing for survival purposes.
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Dont forget socks. I bought some of these that have been great so far with temps in the low 30's. Merino wool blend.
Amazon.com: 2 - Pk. Browning Heavy Wool - blend... cover
Amazon.com: 2 - Pk. Browning Heavy Wool - blend...
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It's been forever since I've worn wool. If I were inactive in the cold I would definitely consider wool. Most of my activities are snowshoeing or hiking and feel I am well served with fleece.
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Combination of both in layers for me.
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when i was in Moscow and St. Petersburg last winter the temp got as low as -18c (-.4 f) and honestly my wool long coat saved my ass. All i had on was a long sleeve dri fit shirt, dress shirt, wool sweater and a wool long coat.
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