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do you consider stun guns as a non lethal weapon
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Sure I consider stun guns non-lethal. They don't kill (with one exception). The safer and more effective option is a Taser.

First of all stun guns operate only on volts. They hurt but they have some negatives. 1. You have to be able to touch your assailant which means they can "touch you back". 2. They can affect people with pace makers but then again I don't see many people with pace makers committing crimes. 3. You can have a million volt stun gun and it won't be near as effective as a 50k volt Taser. Why? Because it's not the volts that have the most effect on the human body, its the watts, amerage, and joules and how they are utilized. 4. They are cheap. I mean, they are better than nothing, but they are not as effective or as safe as a Taser.

There is a civilian version of the Taser called the C2 Taser. It is 50,000 volts. But the volts don't matter. It's NMI or neuromuscular incapacitation. It's the technology in the taser that takes the volts and turns them into a more effective non lethal tool. Even the doctor who invented the pace maker has said Tasers don't affect pacemakers, even when hooked directly to them. The other advantage is you don't have to be touching your assailant. You can hit them from 15' away with two darts that incapacitate the subject. Scientific studies have shown the C2 Taser has more stopping power than a 9mm handgun. And once the shock is over, it's over...no one's dead, no broken bones, bruises, or anything that baton or fist fight can cause. Even the "use of force continuum" that the law says must be followed when using force says pepper sprays and Tasers are to be used before "heavy handed techniques".

The other great thing is if you shoot someone with a C2 Taser, it will continue to keep them down for 30 seconds while you get away. And Taser will even give you a brand new Taser. It's more important for you to be safe.

I do carry a handgun at times. But with all the legal problems that come with deadly force I sometimes carry my C2. It only weights 6 oz. and fits in the palm of my hand. My wife keeps her clipped on the inside/ top of her purse. She doesn't like guns, but with no training at all she can use a Taser.

I got one for me, my wife, and my daughter in college. They cost about $350 each, but that's less than a gun, 100x more effective and safer than a stun gun, and pepper sprays can kill too, especially if someone has a medical condition like asthma.

I think I got ours at http://www.butlersecuritysupply.com/c2taser.htm . They had the most information about the devices, where they're legal, where they're not, etc. Plus my daughter wanted a pink one and my wife wanted a blue one. They had all kinds of colors.

You don't have to have a license or permit to have one either. I love mine and it makes me feel better knowing my wife and daughter have one when I'm not there.
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Tasers aren't all they are cracked up to be, their effectiveness is based on how far away the two wire ends are when they hit if a person is too far away one end will miss and if they are too close the wire ends will only send a current a couple of inches through the person and cause slight pain but not incapacitation. They are excellent if one is a decent aim and 10-15 feet away but any closer or further and they aren't that great. Don't know if civilians can buy them but I know cop tasers sometimes have a built in stun gun just in case you miss.
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Top Israeli Hand-to-Hand Combat Expert Boaz Aviram Publishes Krav-Maga Bible

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December 29, 2009
New York
Good Mountain Tactical Training Center, LLC

PRESS RELEASE

Top Israeli Hand-to-Hand Combat Expert Boaz Aviram Publishes Krav-Maga Bible

Krav Maga – Use of the Human Body as a Weapon;
Philosophy and Application of Hand to Hand Fighting Training System

Over the course of the last 25 years, the Israeli self-defense martial
art known as Krav-Maga (Contact Combat), has steadily grown into one
of the most widely used and respected techniques for military
personnel, law enforcement specialists and civilians alike. Although
hundreds of Krav-Maga training centers currently exist worldwide, Boaz
Aviram is one of the only Krav Maga experts who was there at the very
beginning, and holds the secrets of these most effective self-defense
and offensive techniques.

Boaz Aviram served as the IDF Fighting Fitness Academy Krav Maga Chief
Instructor, in direct lineage from Immi Sde-Or Lichtenfeld, the father
and undisputed master of Krav Maga. In this long-awaited Krav-Maga
“bible,” Aviram meticulously explains the origins of the techniques,
their applications across a wide range of situations, comparisons to
other similar martial arts, and detailed training programs accompanied
by 1,000 photographs.

Krav Maga – Use of the Human Body as a Weapon; Philosophy and
Application of Hand to Hand Fighting Training System, is available as
a 325-page perfect bound paperback or download, currently being
offered exclusively by Lulu Marketplace. For any serious student of
worldwide martial arts, Aviram’s book is an opportunity not to be
missed.


http://www.lulu.com/product/paperbac...system/6182823
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However, Krav Maga known to civilians around the world is not the IDF Krav Maga, but rather another form of Martial Arts marketed to civilians. Boaz Aviram, the 3rd in a lineage of IDF Fighting Fitness Academy Krav Maga Chief Instructors, presents in this book the most efficient and effective form of self defense and Hand to Hand Combat training method ever developed. 150 techniques presented: 1,000 film strip formatted photos in with 60,000 words of advice.
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Every weapon has the ability to be lethal or kill. Unless maybe a noodle. There may be people who do not choose to be lethal with a weapon. Your body is a lethal weapon. A book is a lethal weapon. There is not such thing as a non lethal weapon. Tazers cause people to have heart attacks and die. Many non lethal weapons have killed people. The only weapon that is not lethal is passiveness.
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they good weapons but if you dont have training in handling it,its not gonna help you alot.have a look at philipino stick fighting classes,you'll quickly learn to use your baton and where to strike should you be attacked
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I think most Non-lethal is Fist LOL
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This section is for anything non-lethal.

Examples:
Martial Arts
Mace or pepper spray
Air Guns

Several member asked for this section - so here it is. Now get busy and fill it up.
You might want to rename this thread to "Less-Lethal"


there is no such thing as "non-lethal weapons"......a weapon is a weapon and all of them are potentially lethal.

a 12 ga beanbag round is a "less-lethal" use of force....but can still be lethal given the correct set of circumstances.

Just saying...
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I realize that this thread is intended for self defense but I thought it couldn't hurt to bring up another use of pepper spray in a survival situation.

In my opinion pepper spray is an underestimated survival tool. If one can get within range of a rabbit, groundhog, squirrel, raccoon etc and spray it with a good dose; the animal will writh around in a blind panic allowing you to run up and finish the job with a knife, spear or baseball bat.

Not the most humane hunting method; but if you're hungry, you're hungry.
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Another benefit you failed to mention is that after you kill the animal, its already seasoned!
"Hmm, what is that delicious flavoring? Paprika?"
"Oh no, its mace from Cold Steel."

Sorry, I couldn't pass that up
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try this:
http://www.donrearic.com/bandana1.html
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I am currently in the military and had some extra training outside of my job. I was DoD trained at I.N.I.W.I.C. (Interservice Nonlethal Individual Weapons Instructor Course). I am a DoD certified Nonlethal Weapons Instructor which means I can train all branch of the military in Nonlethal Weapons. It covers all kinda of stuff, it teaches the right way to use everything, from shotgun ammo to 40mm grenade launcher ammo. Also cover OC spray (you would call pepper spray), M26 and X26 Taser to certify people to be the end users. Also covers Lasers, acoustic sound, FN 303 (C.A.L. [compressed air launcher]), riot control stuff, vehicle arresting devices (yep there is more stuff then just "spike strips", the military has the bigger spikes. Plus there is crazy things to stop vehicles, no matter how big you are and how modified. You will stop). Also goes over how to talk to people to and a bunch of other stuff some kind of hand to hand to take people down with no counters to. The problem with Tasers is that the people that are trained on them might not have a lot of time with them. Maybe need more time, also being nerves. If one probe sticks then you will have to fallow threw with a drive stun to get the full MNI to lock up the body. If the Taser is making a lot of noise when you are trying to tase somebody it is not in far enough and you need to drive the taser in to get a connection.

Bean bag shotgun rounds are not suppose to be shot at a person who is with in 30 meters. It is because time of flight it has to open. If you do use it, it can be very damaging to the body. The rubber munitions from shotgun and 40mm are all most 10 meters. If they are with in 10 meters you are not suppose to shoot. Maybe do a quick step back or hope back and adject. You can move.

FN 303 in Boston was given to Police who were not trained on them. They used them during the riot after the Red Sox's won finally. The Police shot civilians with it thinking it was less than lethal or nonlethal. Victoria Snelgrove was shot in the eye and bleed out. The ambulance couldn't get to her in time because of the croud of people rioting because the baseball team won.

So if you don't know what it is, before you use it, research what it is and how it is suppose to be employed.

I would get Tased over being Pepper Sprayed any day. You can get a full body work in 5 seconds and not having to go to the gym.
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One large can of bee or wasp spray
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I have an ASP and Flashlight/Taser in my Kit
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