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Old 05-29-2013, 12:37 AM
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Even though it is an old thread I found it helpful. Lots to think about. The more I read on this site the less I feel I know and am prepared.
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Mines roughly 6 hours away by car, definitely a few days walk haha but I'm constantly thinking of closer options. But, my plan involves more of a nomadic approach than to a specific location. If I had the money for a better location, things would be different. But knowledge on how to survive is much easier
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Mines roughly 6 hours away by car, definitely a few days walk haha but I'm constantly thinking of closer options. But, my plan involves more of a nomadic approach than to a specific location. If I had the money for a better location, things would be different. But knowledge on how to survive is much easier
Corect me if I misunderstand but that sounds more like being a refugee than having a specific plan.
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To an extent, yeah I guess so, haha But I have no intention of going to some "Camp" or pleading with people for supplies. My main BOL is a small house that used to be my Grandmas that my uncle owns that my family uses at will, traveling, etc. But I do have a couple other places here in southeastern, Ohio I could go to as well. Refugee could be used I guess, but it's not the best. My plan calls for me to rely more on skills and knowledge than gear. Being short on cash, thats the best shot I have. But I've also grown up, hunting, trapping, skinning, living in a lean to catch only what you eat camping trips with my dad and uncles, so as long as I practice what I've learned, for me personally, using the land is my best shot. By that, I do not mean to rely solely on the land, I'm by no means a bad ass indian whatever you wanna call it, but I intend on using my gear and skills supplemented with nature. So I wouldnt consider myself a refugee, but others might
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That's the way I think. Too many people are depending on their 'stash'. What happens when that stash runs out, and it will if it's long-term. Depending on the nature of the circumstances, people really should know how to survive as if they didn't have any stock-pile at all. I try to keep in mind that there are circumstances where we can lose everything that we have stored. What happens if your stores are lost to a natural disaster, or if they are stolen? Not really advocating heading to the forest to live off the land as a first choice....but we all should at least know what wild edibles are in our area, how to prepare and preserve them, and how to hunt and preserve the meat. Just in case.
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Exactly. I'd rather spend money learning a SKILL I need that will last a lifetime than a piece of Gear that could break down in a who knows how long. That said, I too plan on having and using a great deal of gear. But why use a limited amount of things when I could use a limitless source? At the very least, it'll make my supplies last longer.
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It's amazing how many wild edibles are all around us, in our yards, under our feet. Wild medicines too. Sometimes the skills we need to know, skills that our ancestors had, are just too much to learn all at once, so we should at the very least have books that we can refer to to learn. It's actually kind of scary the way we have lost the knowledge that kept our pioneer fore-fathers alive. We don't even have to go as far back as the pioneers, just go as far as the depression...wild edibles kept many people alive and healthy.
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My statement is always along these lines:

Your BOL needs to be far enough away that your local worst case scenario will not affect it, but close enough that you can get to it, injured and on foot, during the worst season and weather of the year, in the conditions of that worst case scenario, traveling under cover and at night, in the time the supplies of your BOL alone (no caches) provides you.

Hope that is helpful.
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My statement is always along these lines:

Your BOL needs to be far enough away that your local worst case scenario will not affect it, but close enough that you can get to it, injured and on foot, during the worst season and weather of the year, in the conditions of that worst case scenario, traveling under cover and at night, in the time the supplies of your BOL alone (no caches) provides you.

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Sure. No one else even mentioned the real purpose of BOL. Of course your requirements are contradictory (in U.S. at least). Any BOL closer than 200 miles from a significant city (and separated by natural obstacles) would not comply with your first requirement, and if it complies, then it wont comply with the second. To make matters worse, many scenarios would not permit walking more than 1-10 miles (depending on initial location).
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That is the the $60,000, how far? Realistically I plan on 10-12 miles max per 24 hr period, I would prefer to be at least 100-150 miles from where I am at which is 25 miles north of Detroit. My problem is that because of the weather I would rather be at least 400-500 miles further south...
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I am sorry, but 100 miles north would not help you. 500 miles south might not (going thru Ohio).
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Sure. No one else even mentioned the real purpose of BOL. Of course your requirements are contradictory (in U.S. at least). Any BOL closer than 200 miles from a significant city (and separated by natural obstacles) would not comply with your first requirement, and if it complies, then it wont comply with the second. To make matters worse, many scenarios would not permit walking more than 1-10 miles (depending on initial location).
That is exactly the point I am trying to make. BOLs are, in application, a very tricky thing.

Most people think about them in terms of having lots of advance warning and heading to them before things get real bad. The reality is that, more than likely, your trip to your BOL will be far less ideal.

I always, in my planning of all prep eventualities, take it to the Worst Case Scenario for application of action because anything less than that becomes easier if you can do the WCS. If you can get to your BOL on foot, injured, traveling only at night, when there has been something like a nuclear or chemical attack, then you are going to have no problem doing it under conditions that are comparatively ideal.

On the other hand, if your BOL requires that you MUST have a vehicle (how many 100's of miles?), MUST use your caches (more of a walk than the BOB supplies allow for?), MUST have special gear to access (what if you lost your BOB and are using improvised and found supplies?), and the like in IDEAL conditions (warm season, good weather, roads are not closed, masses are not flooding out of the cities yet, no radiation and other such concerns, etc) then when there are complications you are screwed.

On top of that, what if your BOL is unusable when you get there (say 20 people, armed and such, have set up camp?)...have you set up things such that you can sustain yourself without it until you can take your BOL back?

BOLs are not a basic and easy thing to add to your plan.
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That is why I moved out ahead of time. But I STILL face the same general problems, except now they are related to be able to get home, rather than bugging out.
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If you move to a BOL then it is no longer a BOL it is your home
THe BOL is an alternate fall back location for when staying at home is no longer feasible
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Seems like part of the equation should be what is the threat your trying to escape from.

If you live near a nuclear power plant In earthquake country you bug out should be further than just escaping the city when the power goes out. Everybody's BOL distance will be different. There is no one size fits all.
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Of course there is, if a situation is country-wide.
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Of course there is, if a situation is country-wide.
Seems like it still depends on the "situation".
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Please suggest the country-wide situation where one has to bug out but short distance is adequate.
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Please suggest the country-wide situation where one has to bug out but short distance is adequate.
EMP would work for me. I'd bug out from my small country town to my BOL cabin on the lake 60 miles away. It would be easier to feed and hydrate my family there. No need to go the full 5 hours to my plan "B" BOL.

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Possible. My question referred to a bug out from a significant town (hundreds of thousands people).
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