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Old 03-25-2016, 01:47 PM
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On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed an anti-gun decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, and upheld the 2008 Heller decision in the process. The Massachusetts case involved a 4’11” woman who was being threatened by an ex-boyfriend, who was nearly a foot taller. She pulled a stun gun and chased him away.

While that was good news for her, this is where things got dicey. Her possession of the stun gun violated the Bay State’s ban on “electrical weapons.”

She was tried and convicted, with the state supreme court ultimately holding that her possession of a stun gun was not protected by the Second Amendment since it represented technology that could not have been foreseen in 1791.

But what about speech that is transmitted via computers, radio and TV? Is that not protected by the First Amendment since this technology did not exist in the eighteenth century?

This was the exact point made by Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas in their concurring opinion:

Electronic stun guns are no more exempt from the Second Amendment’s protections, simply because they were unknown to the First Congress, than electronic communications are exempt from the First Amendment, or electronic imaging devices are exempt from the Fourth Amendment.

Do you agree or disagree with this? Though, I am an advocate for self-defense, I do not consider any defense device (Defense spray, Taser, Stun Gun.) an arm. I kinda agree with defense devices not being covered by the 2nd amendment, HOWEVER, I do NOT think it should be illegal to own and use a defense device in any state. An individual should have full range of freedom to decide on their defense options. Be it arms, improvised weapons or defense devices.
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Actually had think about this The result is that I have more questions than answers.

Like anything else, it depends on how we look at it. Is a sword "arms"? Historically, yes. Dagger? Kitchen knife? If she chased him off with a Maglite is that an "electronic weapon"? Technically, yes. Her cell phone? Vibrator?

So, would she go to jail for picking up a flashlight but be fine if she was wielding a sword? I mean, is what it has come to?

While a stun gun is easier to qualify as "arms", Pepper Spray or a Taser are not. However, they probably should be. They are a weapon. I can see no reason to ban them anyway. Threatening random strangers online (not really here but elsewhere) is apparently freedom of speech. Doing it face to face is a totally different ball game. It probably shouldn't be so different in the eyes of law.

I often just shake my head at state or local "laws". The stuff they come up with to ban just blows me away. Around 200 people per 100k in my state die from cancer each year. About 15 or so per 100k from firearms (with almost half of it being black on black crime in 2 large cities). Our priorities are kinda messed up right now. Law makers should take a good hard look at what is actually hurting us. They won't though. Playing politics is much more profitable.

Not much help, but would like to see other opinions on this.
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If he was a threat, she should have had a 1911 and put two in center of mass in two more in the head.

That would have qualified for 2nd Amendment all the way.

That's the way I see it.

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Anything that is physically used as a weapon for self defense, is an "arm". This includes a claw hammer, a tire tool, knife, sword, etc. A person should be able to use any means necessary, to defend themselves.

How does the state of Massachusetts KNOW the Founding Fathers didn't consider technology. They were smarter than we are. Even then, there were Sci-Fi writers who I'm SURE came up with some crazy stuff. These people weren't stupid.
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Simple enough to consider... what was classified as "arms" back in the day? A pitch fork. A rock. A club. Pretty much anything that could be used as a force multiplier in self defense situations.
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