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Old 06-10-2015, 12:23 PM
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Where is your proof these Wright people made a plane?
He didn't say the first plane. Some yahoo is trying to give credit to someone who lived here.
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IMHO, there is a special place in hell for people like Obama.
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It's quite interesting that yet another conversation about criminal behavior of this administration has turned to "well Bush did it "

Folk your president is actively working against your best interests and all some of you want to do is rationalize it by claiming someone else did it do.

" Oh wow, the president just kicked you in the nuts dude. Are you all right ?"

" Hey, you leave him alone he is only kicking me in the balls because Bush did it too"
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It's quite interesting that yet another conversation about criminal behavior of this administration has turned to "well Bush did it "

Folk your president is actively working against your best interests and all some of you want to do is rationalize it by claiming someone else did it do.

" Oh wow, the president just kicked you in the nuts dude. Are you all right ?"

" Hey, you leave him alone he is only kicking me in the balls because Bush did it too"
I guess it depends on perspective. I'm not so much a "Bush did it too" guy as I am more of a "Dont fool yourself thinking politicians are any different no matter what letter is in front of their name" guy.
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I guess it depends on perspective. I'm not so much a "Bush did it too" guy as I am more of a "Dont fool yourself thinking politicians are any different no matter what letter is in front of their name" guy.
Exactly.
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I guess it depends on perspective. I'm not so much a "Bush did it too" guy as I am more of a "Dont fool yourself thinking politicians are any different no matter what letter is in front of their name" guy.
Believe me I'm not that guy who believes one party or the other is going to save us, but people are just going to have to understand that what this present administration is doing, is very bad for your future.

We don't have a magic time machine to change a thing Bush, Clinton, Bush, Carter or Reagan done.

We can stop this communist community organizer, and not elect any more traitors like him.
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Believe me I'm not that guy who believes one party or the other is going to save us, but people are just going to have to understand that what this present administration is doing, is very bad for your future.

We don't have a magic time machine to change a thing Bush, Clinton, Bush, Carter or Reagan done.

We can stop this communist community organizer, and not elect any more traitors like him.
We can, and have held up their agenda. We need to remain vigilant, and ready to act. With the 556 ban we scared them off, but they are returning fire with the ban on selling ammo online now. We need to be right back in their faces with that one, and any thing else they attack with. We also need to support the good legislation coming at us also.

So far as electing more of the same, that is a bit more difficult. First off to many remain in blind support of the "lesser evil" liberals the republicans are throwing out. We need to remove all support from that party till they die off, or return to being a different party than the democrats. We are also fighting millions who will vote for the freebies over what’s good for the nation because they are lazy pieces of ****. Thats not to mention the precincts that are giving over 100% of the vote to the opposition of liberty either.

The forums, and internet make it easier to keep the bastards at bay from affecting more of our rights most of the time. We need to start using it for creating more ideas on taking back our rights, and liberty. Unfortunately most of those threads either end up dead, or locked due to ****ing matches, or an inability to accept the truth that we are loosing.
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He may not have been shipping them off en mass, but the ATF under him still allowed it to happen. It doesn't make him a saint either.
i think what you are missing is the fact that they were allowing guns to go over to drug cartels so they could track them from the straw purchasers to the cartels to see the network... but the cartels found out about it and were disarming the tracking devices or driving around in circles until the planes or drones ran out of gas. so it was shut down. obama came in and looked at this failed program that had been shut down and opened it back up and ramped it up to overdrive. obama did this to show that US guns were in mexico and used for crime. he had no interest in stopping the straw buyers or finding the shippers... he just wanted to be able to say "50000 US bought guns used in murders in mexico"... thats it.

now if you want to talk about our government giving guns to the mexican government that they know had a high likelihood of being sold to cartels for penny's on the dollar then i agree that both are just as bad.
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i think what you are missing is the fact that they were allowing guns to go over to drug cartels so they could track them from the straw purchasers to the cartels to see the network... but the cartels found out about it and were disarming the tracking devices or driving around in circles until the planes or drones ran out of gas. so it was shut down. obama came in and looked at this failed program that had been shut down and opened it back up and ramped it up to overdrive. obama did this to show that US guns were in mexico and used for crime. he had no interest in stopping the straw buyers or finding the shippers... he just wanted to be able to say "50000 US bought guns used in murders in mexico"... thats it.

now if you want to talk about our government giving guns to the mexican government that they know had a high likelihood of being sold to cartels for penny's on the dollar then i agree that both are just as bad.
No mater who was in office, the ATF was doing it. Yea, the motives may be different but I don't believe any one ended up in jail except Brian Terry's killer.

I do agree with that last part seeing as the vast majority of the cartel soldiers are military, or police. In any case, giving weapons, and ammo to a corrupt nation like Mexico is a wonderful idea.
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