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The "liberal" in Liberal Arts has nothing to do with politics.

I myself have a Liberal Arts degree. Here's a quote from one of my textbooks on the meaning of the term:

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.



That last sentence is a perfect summary of the value of Liberal Arts learning. Values that are useful in ANY career or profession.
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A four year liberal arts education teaches the student to ask the real insightfull questions.

Questions Like, "Do you want fries with that?"
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The "liberal" in Liberal Arts has nothing to do with politics.

I myself have a Liberal Arts degree. Here's a quote from one of my textbooks on the meaning of the term:

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.



That last sentence is a perfect summary of the value of Liberal Arts learning. Values that are useful in ANY career or profession.
I dunno. Any quote that needs to go out of it's way to differentiate itself from Conservative beliefs is suspect to me.

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The "liberal" in Liberal Arts has nothing to do with politics.

I myself have a Liberal Arts degree. Here's a quote from one of my textbooks on the meaning of the term:

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.



That last sentence is a perfect summary of the value of Liberal Arts learning. Values that are useful in ANY career or profession.
So your textbook is redefining words in the same way that the media is? For instance "white nationalist" has now become "white supremacist".

There is a clear difference as most of my friends are nationalists and much whiter than I am, however non of them are supremacists.
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If you have a college degree and you never had to take a liberal arts course, that's not college, it's called Vo-Tech. It's the place where students who can't pass English Comp. or Western Civ. wind up.
Yep. And in vo-tec they get an education in plumbing and make $100k a year if they work hard.

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Make no mistake - universities and colleges are a BUSINESS and are there to make MONEY. Many schools put their grants, tuition increases and general fund excesses into the stock market, then beg their alumni for $$ " for the old school spirit". It's BS because they then sell alumni's kids program that they can never make a living at - EnvironmentaL Studies degree? REALLY? They know the kid will have to come back into the system for a real degree and they hope they come back to them for another soaking.

Yes, this is really how I see it - the above happened to one of my wife's nephews. The only job he could get after graduating was running a corn maze for 2 months in the fall, and as a hiking guide in Denali for a few months the next year. He went back to school and got a degree as a Physician's Assistant and is doing fine now. Sure, in the beginning, he picked the degree, but his advisor encouraged him to pick it - the school has as much culpability as he does.


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Conservatives need to stop politicizing everything. Just as the Left keeps trying to do.

The term "Liberal Arts" goes all the way back to Martianus Capella in the fifth century, who wrote the first book describing the Liberal arts and gave them that name.

It was meant to describe the education of a "free" man, hence "liberal" as in "liberated".

Let me say it again: It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING A PERSON A LEFTIST, COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

It's like assuming that the town of Liberal, KS is full of raging ANTIFA types and Bernie Sanders supporters.

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Mine is an arts degree. The difference between a BA vs a BS was 2 classes.
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So your textbook is redefining words in the same way that the media is? For instance "white nationalist" has now become "white supremacist".

There is a clear difference as most of my friends are nationalists and much whiter than I am, however non of them are supremacists.

You obviously haven't read the full quote I put in my post:


The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society.


It has absolutely ZERO to do with any sort of political philosophy. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
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It has absolutely ZERO to do with any sort of political philosophy. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
Except for the fact that a vast majority of Liberal Arts professors and programs are decidedly leftist. Many LA classes are used more as indoctrination courses than tools of higher learning.

For some reason the amount of SJWs coming out of college with STEM degrees is minuscule when compared to the number coming out with Liberal Arts degrees.
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A four year liberal arts education teaches the student to ask the real insightfull questions.

Questions Like, "Do you want fries with that?"
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What does a liberal arts degree actually prepare you for these days?
Oh, I don’t know. It got my son into law school. And he’s no leftist. He interned at the Country District Attorney’s Office last summer and is doing so again this summer. He considers that a viable career path, with an eye to working for the US Attorney’s Office in white collar crime prosecution

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If you have a college degree and you never had to take a liberal arts course, that's not college, it's called Vo-Tech. It's the place where students who can't pass English Comp. or Western Civ. wind up.
What do you have against vocational technology education? They’re hiring welders and plumbers faster than they can complete their “vo tech” education they’re so desperate for tradesmen. And, as someone else pointed out, a lot of these people are smarter than you give them credit for…I mean, you think it’s smarter to get a 4-year degree with $125k student loan debt to work as a barrista at Starbucks? Even AOC was smart enough to run for Congress after that.

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A number of lawyers go that route as well in preparation for law school. I've known very few who came out of business or engineering schools.
Every lawyer I work with came out of “engineering schools” or have hard science degrees, and many of them have BA degrees instead of BS degrees.

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The "liberal" in Liberal Arts has nothing to do with politics.

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Let me say it again: It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING A PERSON A LEFTIST, COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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It has absolutely ZERO to do with any sort of political philosophy. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
You can say it as many times as you like, and you can type it in all caps for emphasis. The problem you have here is that the reality of a liberal arts degree has little to do with the textbook definition you quote. If you truly believe that the quoted definition describes today’s liberal arts degree, then you are deluded and need to wake up. If you don’t believe that the liberal arts curriculum has been perverted into political indoctrination, you need to educate yourself. I believe that is something your liberal arts degree was supposed to train you to do.
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The "liberal" in Liberal Arts has nothing to do with politics.

I myself have a Liberal Arts degree. Here's a quote from one of my textbooks on the meaning of the term:

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.



That last sentence is a perfect summary of the value of Liberal Arts learning. Values that are useful in ANY career or profession.
I worked as an engineer for 32 yrs.
I worked with tens of thousands of engineers, scientists, and mathmaticians.

BS, MS, and Phds, but not one of them had an liberal arts degree.
So despite what you claim (your foolish textbook claims), STEM folks disagree.

Your BA degree teaches you to flip bugers, or hold a sign dressed as a banana.
Do you want fries with that?
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What does a liberal arts degree actually prepare you for these days? You could say it prepares you for a career in writing or journalism, which explains the extreme liberal slant and distortion of reality in journalism, especially the fake news media.
Actually, my brother once dated a woman who had a liberal arts degree in, I believe, Russian. She spoke six languages. She worked for the CIA. She could, and would if she had to, kill you six different ways before you knew what was happening. I think her liberal arts degree did OK by her.
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No one said they didn't have to take a liberal arts course. The thread is on a degree not a course. Again with the picking and choosing to fit your narrative.

I took a liberal arts COURSE where an old white hippy lady and a room full of hispanics constantly berated me for being white. Everyday I went into that class I felt like I might have to fight my way out. That is not what learning is about, that is what racism is about.
Sounds like everyone in the class but you was a racist. Bad, ain't it?
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My Liberal Arts Degree came from a Conservative Christian College.
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Conservatives need to stop politicizing everything. Just as the Left keeps trying to do.

The term "Liberal Arts" goes all the way back to Martianus Capella in the fifth century, who wrote the first book describing the Liberal arts and gave them that name.

It was meant to describe the education of a "free" man, hence "liberal" as in "liberated".

Let me say it again: It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING A PERSON A LEFTIST, COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
My, aren't we the sensitive one.

The poster made a funny. And we are so self-absorbed that we have to give a lecture on what most of the rest of the audience already knows.
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That's the old liberal arts program, e.g., readings in Western philosophy and literature, among others.
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Actually, my brother once dated a woman who had a liberal arts degree in, I believe, Russian. She spoke six languages. She worked for the CIA. She could, and would if she had to, kill you six different ways before you knew what was happening. I think her liberal arts degree did OK by her.
So you are saying her liberal arts degree taught her how to become a CIA assassin.

I can see how that helped her become a useful member of society.

FYI. The overwhelming percentage of CIA personnel are not trained in combat or martial arts. Unless she was a field officer traveling to Russia as a spy, she was probably an analyst working in an office.

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It has absolutely ZERO to do with any sort of political philosophy. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
I would have to disagree when it comes to gender studies and certain cultural history classes. Those classes are very political and biased to the Left. I once had a girlfriend who took a women's' studies class at the University of Minnesota. The entire class was focused on nonsense about how women have always been oppressed by men. The goal of the class was to turn every student into a man hater. I would call that very politically biased. We've had issues here in Arizona with Mexican cultural classes that focused on alleged atrocities committed by Americans against Mexicans and how to achieve Mexican Reconquista. When those classes were outlawed, they claimed racism (naturally).

The original goal for Liberal Arts classes may not have intended to be political, but many aspects of it have been corrupted by the Left.
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the main distinction I remember is it seemed that those in the L,A, curriculum had far more time for partying than those of us in the Applied and Pure Science fields
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the main distinction I remember is it seemed that those in the L,A, curriculum had far more time for partying than those of us in the Applied and Pure Science fields
Right!

My engineering classes were hair pullers! I was mentally exhausted when I got home!
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