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Old 07-31-2020, 07:20 PM
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SAy the horses ancestors didn't make it past the big dino killer asteroid 65 million years ago.

No horse, zebra, donkeys, burros, etc etc...

That meant, there were never horses to use for the Egyptians and Romans to go to war. Genghis Khan would not have swept the Steppes of Asia riding oxen... There were never horses for the SPaniards to investigate the New WOrld nor horses to use for the plains Indians.. Nothing for settlers to pull their wagons but oxen and such.
No stage coach horses... things like that.

Without the horse, would mankind have progressed as far as we have or would we be generations behind simply because getting to where we were headed would take so much longer. ... if we ever got there at all...?

Just a question to ponder instead of all the gloom and doom so prevalent in our world.
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Dog breeds would be much bigger.
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Here is the site for those what if scenarios.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/

Horses evolved millions of years after the rock that took out the Flintstone's pets.

A real good idea would look at America pre Colombian civilizations. They never used the wheel because they didn't have beast of burden.

Love horses. The world would be a lot less fun without them.
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No horse's ass... I would be sad.
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In Wisconsin the land was logged and broken with ox. It wasn't until the hard work was done and farmers started gaining some wealth that horses took over as the main source of draft power. Since cows can work and survive on much lower quality feed than horses ox just made sense to do the hard work until grains and hay could be grown.
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Mongo rode a buffalo. Pecos Bill rode a tornado.
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"Gypsy gold does not chink and glitter. It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark."
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Cattle would do the pulling work and can be ridden but are slow.
Bullock/ox teams are not as strong as horses but survive well in poor conditions. As one comparison put it, only exaggerating slightly, "Darn horses die if you look at them the wrong way!"
Dogs would be used to control herds rather than horseriders.
May have ended up riding oversized ostriches instead for speed!
What about moose or other large herbivores, Could they be ridden or are they fast? Saddling up a red deer would be...exciting!
Apparently the invention of the horse collar greatly increased the amount of work horses could do because it spread the load evenly on them allowing them to pull harder without injury. Maybe deer collars would have been developed!
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Cattle would do the pulling work and can be ridden but are slow.
Bullock/ox teams are not as strong as horses but survive well in poor conditions. As one comparison put it, only exaggerating slightly, "Darn horses die if you look at them the wrong way!"
Dogs would be used to control herds rather than horseriders.
May have ended up riding oversized ostriches instead for speed!
What about moose or other large herbivores, Could they be ridden or are they fast? Saddling up a red deer would be...exciting!
Apparently the invention of the horse collar greatly increased the amount of work horses could do because it spread the load evenly on them allowing them to pull harder without injury. Maybe deer collars would have been developed!
JUST ask the Mounties...
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Old west posses chasing bad guys without horses.
Que the Benny Hill chase music.
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Looks like the moose wins. How do you get on and off said moose?

And how do you steer it?
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Oxen are stronger than horses but slower.

South Americans had llamas.

Gengis Khan used bactrian camels for transport. I suppose he could have used dromedary camels for attack.
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Mongo rode a buffalo. Pecos Bill rode a tornado.
BUT PECOS BILL had a black horse named [WIDOW MAKER} to.
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Mongo rode a buffalo. Pecos Bill rode a tornado.
Paul Bunyan had his ox Blue Babe but I don't think he rode her.
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The horse has an interesting history. Its origins are in North America. They migrated out, became extinct here, and then were brought back by the Spanish. The camel originated in North America too.

I disagree with the assertion that NDNs didn't develop the wheel for lack of beasts to pull carts. The wheel has utility beyond that. They just hadn't evolved/invented that technology yet. Even after they embraced the horse, they still pulled loads on travois. First known use of the wheel was for pottery. Wheel barrows were used well before beast drawn carts.
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Whoa, camel!
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Not much would have changed. The internal combustion engine would probably have been invented a few hundred years earlier. Genghis Khan would have just won with infantry instead of cavalry.
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Mongo from "Blazzing Saddles".

I think we would be further behind, maybe completely different world from what we know. For one, engine output would not be measured in horsepower.
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Without the horse, would mankind have progressed as far as we have or would we be generations behind simply because getting to where we were headed would take so much longer. ... if we ever got there at all...?
Just a question to ponder . . .
The Rarámuri Tribe of NW Mexico might be qualified to offer some realistic conjecture on this hypothetical (and thought provoking) question.
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I don't believe there is any doubt that world history would indeed have been significantly altered without the horse.
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