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Old 07-26-2020, 03:32 PM
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I am trying to put together as close to ideal as an IFAK as possible that is trauma-capable. This is intended to be carried either on a light pack, vest, or belt so it can't have the whole kitchen sink.

I really don't know jack about medical but I'm willing to put in the effort to learn how to use at least things like tourniquets, chest seals, quick-clot, etc. Please recommend what you'd include, or things you'd skip, and maybe an ideal pouch to hold it all.

Or, if you have in mind an ideal pre-made kit, please link that as well.

Would also love to hear recommendations on the best way to learn trauma care. Stop bleeds, stabilize enough for EMT's to come. Mainly focused on GSW type trauma. I think I can figure out the other parts of the kit, it's that part of it that I know least about and want to consult the experts.
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Covid has shut down a lot but local hospital once had 4 hour stop the bleed class free. They want this as widespread as cpr.
https://www.stopthebleed.org
Mostly stuffing wounds with gauze and use of cat tourniquets. Cranked down till it hurts. This covered extremities, i wish i had asked about Israeli bandages with double pads for entrance and exit wounds to shoulder chest or abdomen. Class was for keeping someone alive till they can get to hospital hopefully within an hour.
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I am trying to put together as close to ideal as an IFAK as possible that is trauma-capable.

....also love to hear recommendations on the best way to learn trauma care. Stop bleeds, stabilize enough for EMT's to come. Mainly focused on GSW type trauma. ...
OK, so.. Since this is one of those 'inch wide / mile-deep' topics, I'll (initially) try and focus-in on the One area you've spec'd (since "trauma treatment" is a Big, deep / multilayer topic..) First..

Here's a fairly-decent 'first-line Bleed-stop' kit I put together for the place I'm currently working: https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...4#post19553604 ...Most of that would Easily 'pack-down' into a small zippered-bag, that would allow easier access / be lightweight..

As-to 'where to Get stuff', for the 'basic' IFAK or Home FAK supplies, these guys are Really hard to beat:
http://stores.ebay.com/medicalproductsdepot/ ..and they ship quickly, and are No prob with returns / exchanges..

..and these guys have some Excellent 'kits' for different purposes (which you can 'mix and match' from, to tailor for your own IFAK..) http://stores.ebay.com/Prepping-2-Survive/

Specific to 'GSW' treatment (and, since you asked..) Strongly recommend the 'CAT' Gen 7 TQ, (and this Co., in general, has Great pricing, and a very complete-selection of supplies across Many treatment categories..): https://www.rescue-essentials.com/co...l-black-gen-7/ ...And Note the 'instructional videos' down at the bottom.. Very helpful info..

Also, would recommend getting a fuller 'Bleed Kit', (or, simply taking note of the 'indie-components', and DIYing one, as Budget dictates...) ie:https://www.rescue-essentials.com/sa...g-control-kit/ or https://www.rescue-essentials.com/do...ntials-re-dok/, etc...

..Simply because, for any Bleed that would be severe enough to-Require a TQ, you need a hella-Lot more than just a few '4x4 gauze pads'.. Several 5x9s, and other-such 'compression dressings' (ie: Israelis, etc) are invaluable, initially..

You might also consider (considering "EMTs" may not Come as-quickly as expected, and/or if you're 'way in the outback', etc..) being able to clean / debride (a little, at least..) and Close a wound, once the bleeding's stopped (via TQ, or compression alone, etc) ie: https://www.rescue-essentials.com/ad...atment-module/ (I'd also add a small wash-bottle of Sterile Saline..)

...since the Last thing you want is for a major laceration to open Up, while you're hiking back / in-transport, etc.. You can always clean / re-dress better / stitch-up, etc later, once back home / at camp, etc..

Now, as-to 'Where to Learn', ideally, you'd go take some Local 'hands-on' classes (Google what's available in yer AO.. Red Cross / Local FD / Ambulance Co's / CERT, etc), But that's gonna be diffcult (if-not Impossible) with this 'Covid situ' , so..

..Meantime, for some basic - to pretty Advanced - tips and just 'getting started to learn' vids, I highly endorse (..though, no 'affiliation', and some of his re-sale kits are kinda.. Pricey, too..) This kids Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SkinnyMedic/videos ..Real world, Accurate info, from an Active, Cert'd EMT.., not just 'stuff he read on Google'..

Additionally, he presents accurate, seasoned TQ-application info https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...XEkXE1iyUelY9q ..Especially take to his point about 'staging' the TQs - Very solid advice, since while you're bleeding out on some isolated trail is Not the best time to Learn how to unpack / Use it!..

...Even took the initiative, and started the Very helpful: / https://www.traumaclasses.com/

..Because, even the "Best, Most-Complete FAK in the World", is of little help, without the knowledge - and Training / Practice - to Correctly use it all.. (...beyond the basic 'Band-Aid', I mean..

Fwiw..
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There are books and likely vids maybe even classes these days but that doesn't really prepare you for the sight and smell of flowing blood.

I have always done well when its me bleeding bad and I need to take care of myself. Sometimes I have issues when its other people because I'm very empathetic
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First and foremost: GET PROPER TRAINING.

Once you have that the rest figures itself out. But my standard IFAK when I was doing dangerous things for money was:

CAT TQ
2, 6 ft rolled gauze
One packet of Celox gauze
Nitrile gloves
Roll of med tape
Chest seal sheet.

This we carried on our belt, behind our handgun in a Velcro rip away pouch. We had more in depth kits in our backpacks, but they were big, required EMT certification, and were beyond EDC level.


Skinnymedic on YouTube has some good ifak premade that he sells, though I don’t remember the company that he uses as the vendor. Also John Lovell from Warrior Poet Society makes some good ones.
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Make your own https://www.rescue-essentials.com/

4.99 shipping and good prices.
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cTCCC recommended touriquit x 2 ( CAT is most common followed by SOFT-Wide )
kerliz gauze 1" x 20' or so x 2
ace wrap bandage x 2
chest seals x 2 or small roll duct tape or medical tape
2 pair nytril gloves

all in a qt freezer bag
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Skinny Medic does some good stuff:

https://medicalgearoutfitters.com/co...ns/trauma-kits
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Like everyone mentioned Skinny Medic. He mentions another guy on his channel as well that he seems to think is putting out good information.
Bear Independent works with a company that makes IFACs and such. Based on the reviews from his YouTube followers the products are good quality. Cannot say for myself as I have pieced my own together. I believe he uses adventure frontier. They also sell plates and plate carriers.
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Old 07-30-2020, 04:13 PM
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Bleeding stops three ways

1. the natural clotting process
2. mechanically blocking the flow with pressure
3. the body starts pumping

Go to FirstcareProvider.org they have a free online stop the bleed class thats a good first step
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I got the following for my IFAK:

https://www.narescue.com/community-p...um-sealed.html

https://www.narescue.com/hyfin-vent-...twin-pack.html

Picked up a second NAR CAT-7 tourniquet and put them into a Condor pouch that was available locally.

I might add a nasopharyngeal tube (size FR28 with lube) to top it off, and perhaps add another set of tourniquets and Chest seals. I might considering throwing in an Israeli dressing (I already have an old one), but they are costly and several medics have said that their application is somewhat limited.

YMMV. However, North American Rescue is a reputable brand and saves you the risk of buying LARPing copies of airsoft gear online.
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Pass on the plastic tourniquet and get SOFT-W Better than a CAT for less $.

https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/
All manner of prepackaged kits. Reasonable prices. They also have a nice training "portal"
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I got the following for my IFAK:

https://www.narescue.com/community-p...um-sealed.html

https://www.narescue.com/hyfin-vent-...twin-pack.html

Picked up a second NAR CAT-7 tourniquet and put them into a Condor pouch that was available locally.

I might add a nasopharyngeal tube (size FR28 with lube) to top it off, and perhaps add another set of tourniquets and Chest seals. I might considering throwing in an Israeli dressing (I already have an old one), but they are costly and several medics have said that their application is somewhat limited.

YMMV. However, North American Rescue is a reputable brand and saves you the risk of buying LARPing copies of airsoft gear online.
Israeli bandages are great for extremity wounds. Also pretty good for helping hold a makeshift splint on.
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I recently purchased this one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I don't like the black pouch, but I liked the stuff in it. It's got the nose tube, quik clot, a tourniquet, and all the big stuff you'd need for a GSW. There was another one that I looked at but went with this one, which I believe is the closest I could find to my Army issued IFAK. I ordered some tourniquets and some seals for a sucking chest wound to throw in there as well.
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Pass on the plastic tourniquet and get SOFT-W Better than a CAT for less $.

https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/
All manner of prepackaged kits. Reasonable prices. They also have a nice training "portal"
a true CAT is no better or no worse that a SOFT-W both are recommended by cTCCC as bleeding control adjuncts, along with a handful of others. The CAT is much more frequently counterfeited - if you buy a 'CAT' of amazon odd's are it's going to be a fake from China

CAT is the de facto standard and should someone else need to use your kit the odds of them being proficient with the CAT are higher - there are a few differences in use of the two
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I recently purchased this one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I don't like the black pouch, but I liked the stuff in it. It's got the nose tube, quik clot, a tourniquet, and all the big stuff you'd need for a GSW. There was another one that I looked at but went with this one, which I believe is the closest I could find to my Army issued IFAK. I ordered some tourniquets and some seals for a sucking chest wound to throw in there as well.
the SWAT is more of a pressure dressing than a true TQ - it's somewhat difficult to get true TQ level pressure out of it and it's not on the cTCCC recommended devices.

Watching students use the SWAT is somewhat like watching them wrassle a big octopus or the worlds biggest Stretch Armstrong for you old guys out there
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I keep one of these in my PC with some red 550 cord attached so it visible should someone need to locate it.

https://www.phokusresearch.com/colle...t-trauma-kit-2

One of these in my pack(sealed) that travels everywhere I go and another on my battle belt in a rip away pouch. that one is not sealed and is neatly organized in the pouch.

https://www.narescue.com/supplementa...its-gen-2.html

small and compact.

Ive added some other things, but those are the 2 off the shelf kits I carry.
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the SWAT is more of a pressure dressing than a true TQ - it's somewhat difficult to get true TQ level pressure out of it and it's not on the cTCCC recommended devices.

Watching students use the SWAT is somewhat like watching them wrassle a big octopus or the worlds biggest Stretch Armstrong for you old guys out there
One of the guys in my team bought one for curiosity sake. It turned into a door decoration real quick.

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a true CAT is no better or no worse that a SOFT-W both are recommended by cTCCC as bleeding control adjuncts, along with a handful of others. The CAT is much more frequently counterfeited - if you buy a 'CAT' of amazon odd's are it's going to be a fake from China

CAT is the de facto standard and should someone else need to use your kit the odds of them being proficient with the CAT are higher - there are a few differences in use of the two
Just quoted because it bears repeating.
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..The "Best TQ" is the (yes, CTCCC-recommended) one you Have - staged - and can put on with One Hand (either one..) ..in the dark.. with a GSW.. All-else is just a matter of Preference.

..and yeah, agreed - the 'SWAT' has a place, but.. "TQ" isn't really one of them..

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