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View Poll Results: When will the Hatfield federal courthouse in Portland burn down?
by Thursday night / early morning Friday 1 5.00%
Friday 3 15.00%
within 5 days (Sunday night / early morning Monday) 3 15.00%
within 10 days 1 5.00%
20 days 2 10.00%
It won't burn down 7 35.00%
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:56 PM
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Portland has reached a deal with feds for withdrawal of cops. Beginning Thursday, the normal deployment of feds will be restricted to inside the courthouse (previously, the city was going to fine the federal government $500 for every 15 minutes the fences remained up). State police will protect the building from outside.

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"We have a clear agreement that all Customs and Border Protection and ICE officers will leave downtown Portland on Thursday. Shortly thereafter, they will go home," Brown said. "A limited contingent of federal officials – who provide security year-round to the federal courthouse – will remain and stay focused on its interior."

Oregon State Police troopers would replace the federal officers downtown to protect free speech and keep the peace, Brown said.
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"They have acted as an occupying force & brought violence," Brown wrote, in part, on Twitter.
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But speaking later Wednesday to reporters, the acting secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolf, said that federal officers would not leave Portland "until we are assured that the courthouse and other federal facilities will no longer be attacked nightly and set afire."
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Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary at DHS, said that some federal officers would be visible around the courthouse and that the additional federal officers deployed to Portland would still be downtown, just not at the courthouse.

"They will not be engaged if they are not needed. Our hope for all of us is that they will not be needed," Cuccinelli said.
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On Saturday, police declared a riot when protesters broke into the Portland Police Association and "ignited a fire inside."
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...mayors from six U.S. cities penned a letter to Congress on Monday asking lawmakers to pass legislation blocking the administration from sending "unidentified federal agents" to cities without local consultation.

"This must stop. The administration’s egregious use of federal force on cities over the objection of local authorities should never happen," wrote the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Albuquerque, Kansas City and Washington, D.C. "We welcome partnership, not partisan threats."
What do you think? Is the end of the courthouse imminent?
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I give it less than one day after the federal law enforcement leaves. The few that stay won't be able to defend it.

It's the crowning jewel being awarded to the miscreants by the Portland governor for the fine work they're doing in Portland.
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I give it less than one day after the federal law enforcement leaves.

It's the crowning jewel being awarded to the miscreants by the Portland governor for the fine work they've doing in Portland.
What's the point of all the work done by politicians defying the feds on this?

It's as if they are weirdly arranging to let the rioters have it! I'm starting to feel a little pessimistic for that courthouse!
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I agree they are handing it over. Apparently the governor has promised to defend the building, but this is Oregon, aka SJW country. Take a look at the governor. She's the poster child for social justice warriors.



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A limited contingent of federal officials – who provide security year-round to the federal courthouse – will remain and stay focused on its interior."
This is probably 4 to 6 officers. How long do you think they could or would defend the property against hundreds in an angry mob?
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In 3, 2, 1...
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small number of people defending a goverment installation ... hmmmm

let's hope the SJWs don't "see" a video that upsets them
hope the ICE guys stay close and have standing orders to get invloved maybe we can save an ambassador this time.
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Trump ****ed up,should have let it burn
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The state police are still going to be there...

Either

A) The local government is really letting the rioters win, and the state police are not going to be allowed to effectively defend the courthouse-- meaning that was the sincere reason for getting rid of the feds-- or

B) The state police are going to do pretty much what the feds did, in which case the whole negotiating the withdrawal of the feds was just a stunt. The far-left rioters will notice that right away, and start saying it right away, if they get treated the same way by the different cops. But it looks like anything less than pretty much the same level of policing will not be able to prevent the rioters from burning the place down.

That's what I THINK we're looking at... amazingly... unless, I dunno, the feds arrested and charged really the toughest demonstrators already? And those ones are going to go home now, and the remaining ones aren't going to have the guts to keeping attacking the courthouse the same way?

I saw something on social media that said that the videos online of the fighting are just showing you the very front line of the protestors, and that everyone else is peaceful.

Don't know if I believe it. I would think it takes a lot of abtifa people to keep the police held in check like that (and to make them use such heavy-duty stuff all the time). Very recent videos look pretty serious.
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Just a few fed security left inside ...I hope President Trump doesn’t let this become his Benghazi
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DHS Secretary Wolf said they are not pulling out. At least not as the governor gives the timeline.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ys-not-so-fast

But, when asked by Fox News if he agreed to the Thursday timeline, acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said, "Absolutely not." He has offered no specific timeline and said the drawdown will not happen for now.

"The Department will continue to maintain our current, augmented federal law enforcement personnel in Portland until we are assured that the Hatfield Federal Courthouse and other federal properties will no longer be attacked and that the seat of justice in Portland will remain secure," Wolf said earlier in the day in a statement.
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Portland wants to fine the Feds $2000 an hour for barriers?

The Feds should charge Portland $5000 an hour for labor costs, then arrest the leftist prostiticians for inciting riots, failure to perform their duty, and being treasonous pieces of crap.
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I trust that the coveted fed money has also been evicted.
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CONSPIRACY THEORY--

Why they might NOT burn it down, if they ARE centrally coordinated--

They've won a victory in the press by getting the govt to back down from something. Maybe now their evil leadership thinks they should make themselves look NOT too concerned with burning down the courthouse.

Think of a snake who wins over a virtuous woman, and part of his act is that he's tough-- but not TOO tough.

If they don't burn it down now, they get to say, "Hey, it wasn't us trying to burn it down, it was THEM SAYING we wanted to do it. We COULD HAVE burned it down, but we DIDN'T."

And I think it's kinda important to keep the far-left going that they believe that they're the ones who are persecuted, and that the media's against them.

A few of their people will know the truth about the courthouse, and see through the new statements about it. But that's ok if they're people who like stuff like that. The far-left will have them available for the next time they want to riot.

I've also been noticing lately that everyone seems to be lying about everyone else. There's a good far-left account to keep up with to get news about the riots, but he's also a propagandist. He tweeted that the stuff about the cops being hurt with lasers is a lie (Of course, you can see for yourself the heavy use of lasers in the social media videos of the Portland protests, and everyone knows that lasers damage your eyes. I think it's possible but unlikely that the cops are trying to fake this to gain support or to smear the protestors*). That supports my thinking that the rioters could suddenly totally switch courses, and try to be guys who were doing anything but attempting to burn down a courthouse.

Probably deceptions like that have been going on since the dawn of time.

*guy gave no support for his claim that this was a lie
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This is a bulwark moment for .fed imho..

They simply can not, will not, allow this to happen, i see it going kinetic to make sure it does not.
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