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Old 10-14-2019, 06:31 AM
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Tonfa styled 'billy clubs' such as the Monadnock PR-24 are very effective for both protection and control of an aggressor by a trained individual.
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Batons of any type are illegal in some states, mostly liberal states where you are not allowed to hurt their criminals. Interestingly, batons are legal in some of these states if you have a concealed carry permit.

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Aluminum T-ball bats in good condition are available in most Goodwill stores for $3 to $5. They are shorter and easier to swing than a wooden baseball bat. Plus they might be more effective against Aerindel's broadswords.
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Found several "youth" sized baseball bats, aluminum, at garage or rummage sales - Probably never paid for more than 2-5$ for each.
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HAVING WORKED the streets with the woods sticks and the collapsibles and the plastic, I still have a warm spot for the PR-24 side handle.

It looks like a newer made tonfa, a side handled baton and if you worked with one at all it was a very tricky stick with all sorts of applications for blocking and striking.

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I smushed a rattle snake with a cinder block a few days ago, so.....
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Contact can be made anywhere. Expandable batons are three pieces of tapered steel pipe nestled inside each other. When you flick your wrist they telescope out and lock in place, making a short steel baton three times longer than they where before. To get them to unlock you have to strike the tip against a hard surface. You can strike your target with any part of them, the little bit on the tip is just to make round, “safer” surface.

In practice, they are like having a 26” steel pipe that up you can keep in your pocket.
Only chiming in to add that such collapsible batons are tools to disable a threat. My rudimentary training was focused on targeting joints and certain nerve centers; striking certain areas can be devastating to the threat and end their aggression quickly. However, in untrained hands, you may very well just tick your threat off whacking indiscriminately. From my non-lethal training, the head was off limits and I could imagine it would be pretty lethal if targeting the neck area as well.

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I know some guys who have hit people in the head with extendable batons. They really mess a face up, as in a lot of surface damage. And so look very overkill. And don't tend to knock people out.

Legs and arms are sort of meh if you are hitting in the correct meaty parts.

Very good for hands if You are trying for some sort of de fang thing.

A heavier, softer? Tool like a wooden bat is more likely to drop someone if you get them in the head.

You can buy extendable batons with big rubber tips. Which I have owned but never hit anyone with.

But that would be my choice from looking at other things I have seen people hit with.

Monodock do one that is also locked out with a button rather than friction.

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...I think an aluminum T-ball bat would be more than enough...
On Youtube I saw a person get in the head with an aluminum bat. The weapon bounced off the head and didn't knock the guy out. My hunch is wood is better.


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...I spent many years stick fighting and played with a lot of these kinds of things.

A baseball bat is a lot heavier and hits much harder.

But its also a lot slower and harder to control.

A skilled baton fighter can take apart a guy with a baseball bat in seconds.

But if both parties are trained the baton fighter has a lot of advantages in speed and range the bat fighter won't even if he is equally skilled.

So, if you're going to learn study stick fighting as martial art, a baton is by far the better option.

If you just want to pick up something and swing it, go with a baseball bat and hope you never have to fight someone who knows what they are doing...
Interesting post. I remember a school for stick fighting. I think it is called Dog Brothers.

I don't know what kind of stick martial arts practitioners use, but IIRC the escrima sticks are light weight. I'm wondering if the Kenpo sticks are the same as escrima sticks.
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Riot police use batons that I think are about 36". I don't know what they are typically made of, however. Is a person better off with that or a plain, wood baseball bat if he can't get to a gun.
Why cant you have a gun?

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I use a cane due to a balance problem.
A. Ross Taylor makes a nice, heavy and
strong one. I also carry a pistol.

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If you are in a situation where you can't have a gun it will probably be questionable if you can have a bat or baton. A gun you can hide, a baton maybe can be hidden, and a bat is hard to hide.

In a case like that a cane or a walking stick(and practice using them as a weapon) may be the way to go. Neither one of those would be considered a weapon and would be allowed anywhere. Although they could draw unwanted attention, making you look weak and more of an easy target.
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Interesting post. I remember a school for stick fighting. I think it is called Dog Brothers.

I don't know what kind of stick martial arts practitioners use, but IIRC the escrima sticks are light weight. I'm wondering if the Kenpo sticks are the same as escrima sticks.
escrima "sticks" are made of rattan. they are lightweight but solid. They still hurt and can break bones.
We used the rattan because the "real" material is Kamagong, the Filipino version of ironwood.

I have attend a few "gatherings".
There is one "rule" when participating in a gathering - "leave with the same IQ that you entered with".
Don't think that would happen with Kamagong.
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Like all weapons, it would depend on how you used it.
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Like all weapons, it would depend on how you used it.
There is a small, extensible baton, about 50 cms or so extended, and 1/3 of that folded. I like this option as it can be easily accessible in one second if you have it in your inner jacket pocket. It should have a strong lanyard.

Baseball bats depend on where you are. Next to your door or in your car? great. I like that.

Lucille? If someone does not run after seeing her, maybe is walking but is not alive.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:31 PM
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Take some martial arts training in how to use a bo or shaft for personal defense. Get good at it, real good. Once you're good at using a bo/shaft/staff carry a cane with you everywhere you go.

A good bo expert can tear up a group of young punks real fast when the need arises.

This shows you how to fight and defend against an attacker with a bo or stick.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...1&&FORM=VRDGAR
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I can and do. I was just thinking about melee situations if a gun is not available or if ammo ran out. Also, the book about zombies says "blades don't need reloading". It's obviously the same for batons.
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Chrome plated Craftsman Breaker Bar with socket that plausibly fits my cars lug nuts. Fits under drivers seat easily. Easily explained.

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My Chrome plated Craftsman Ratchet/extension and socket that definitely fits my old F350's lug nuts. Hope I never have to use it again.
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I smushed a rattle snake with a cinder block a few days ago, so.....
Cinder blocks work well. But for self-defense, you will have to find a concealed-carry version.
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The smaller wood or aluminum baseball bats for children are shorter and much lighter and easier to wield than adult size bats. I have a couple of the small bats. One is 26" long the other is 29" long. I see them in thrift shops all the time. Years ago I drilled holes through the sides of a small wood bat and drove framing nails through it and then cut the nail heads off to create 3/4" spikes on the end of the bat. Thankfully, I've never had reason to use it. It wouldn't be my first choice for a defensive tool.
An issue I see with the spikes is that they can catch or hang up in clothes, skin, things around you during a fight. I would prefer the smooth bat over the spikes...unless I was trying to punch through a knight's armor.
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An issue I see with the spikes is that they can catch or hang up in clothes, skin, things around you during a fight. I would prefer the smooth bat over the spikes...unless I was trying to punch through a knight's armor.

Yup, the spikes could get hung up on clothing. Like in an armpit or between the legs. Or in a piece of clothing used to tangle the spiked bat. They should tear and puncture soft tissue and fracture/puncture bone and that could cause serious bleeding and lots of pain so that's a step in the right direction for stopping and disabling a threat.
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