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First off, no weapon is non-lethal. They are pretty much classified as "less lethal".
This is important to know and understand.

And it is correct to say "less lethal" because you can think of it as less likely to be lethal. It is not accurate to say "less than lethal" any more than it is accurate to say "non-lethal" because everything mentioned can still kill.
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Hello, which non-lethal weapon is most effective to stop an attacker.......
All the less lethal options mentioned so far have pros and cons. Another to consider is impact weapons. Again, pros and cons, but they have been used for millennia to level the playing field and make up for disparity in strength and weight.

If you go the collapsible baton route get a Monadnock and not an ASP. And remember that a baton strike to the head can only be justified if lethal force is justified.

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I consider a probable beat down to be a deadly force situation.
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I live on the 12th floor and my apartment has a steel reinforced door.
Therefore, if I find a thief in my bedroom, I will be VERY surprised.
For the street, the non-lethal weapon of self-defense for me is a small traumatic pistol in the back pocket.

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I live on the 12th floor and my apartment has a steel reinforced door.
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thief in my bedroom, I will be VERY surprised.
For the street, the non-lethal weapon of self-defense for me is a small traumatic pistol in the back pocket.

As someone with a passion for physical security and personal protection, can you expand on the steel door and how the traumatic pistols are used in your country?

I've read about both. How the steel doors are more of a focus, unlike how in the USA more of the focus is on the lock, and often ignoring the weakness of the door and frame. And in regards to the traumatic pistol, what type of cartridge do you opt for? Rubber projectiles or something else? I've read there are different options for these pistols, which I find intriguing.
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As someone with a passion for physical security and personal protection, can you expand on the steel door and how the traumatic pistols are used in your country?

I've read about both. How the steel doors are more of a focus, unlike how in the USA more of the focus is on the lock, and often ignoring the weakness of the door and frame. And in regards to the traumatic pistol, what type of cartridge do you opt for? Rubber projectiles or something else? I've read there are different options for these pistols, which I find intriguing.
After the collapse of the USSR, the crime rate in Russia increased very much.
Since then, the crime rate has decreased, but the steel door managed to get into fashion. Even in new buildings, apartments are sold in conjunction with steel doors.


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