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Old 05-28-2019, 09:38 PM
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I can't have an opinion? And who says I can't have an opinion?

The bottom line is once again, rich people exploiting poor people and the environment.

They go up the mountain and trash it. They hire and pay poverty wages to put Sherpas in unreasonably high risk of injury or death. Looking at the stats, there's about a 1 in 15 chance of death and among deaths about 1 in 5 is a Sherpa... that's an extremely dangerous job for which Sherpas make something like 10% of the overall cost layout... ($5000 of $50,000 total cost, for instance), yet the Sherpas are the KEY to success.
I totally agree. And while I think a rich fool is free to go and try Everest and die..I agree that much better things could be done. If I were a multi-millionaire, I'd want to pick say a family a year and pay off their home, maybe cars too. Giving a family property that they could use to say rent while they buy another home would put them on the path of generational wealth and give them the opportunity to build wealth. I think that would be very cool. Of course, what they do with that and if they fail to build going forward would be completely on them. I think that's one effective way to build families up though.

For Everest...it's becoming silly. A ton of rich people going up there without the training and thinking that the guides will basically get them to the top. I read an article where it was talking about people on the way down coming across other people ascending who have collapsed and run out of oxygen. They don't help..they clutch their own oxygen closer and move on. Because to give the O2 to someone else, means you may not have it and die yourself. Fools dying on Everest is yes, their own business. It's not a good thing though and I agree people could definitely put their resources to better use. They won't though, and that's part of why we have the world we have today.
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I totally agree. And while I think a rich fool is free to go and try Everest and die..I agree that much better things could be done. If I were a multi-millionaire, I'd want to pick say a family a year and pay off their home, maybe cars too. Giving a family property that they could use to say rent while they buy another home would put them on the path of generational wealth and give them the opportunity to build wealth. I think that would be very cool. Of course, what they do with that and if they fail to build going forward would be completely on them. I think that's one effective way to build families up though.

For Everest...it's becoming silly. A ton of rich people going up there without the training and thinking that the guides will basically get them to the top. I read an article where it was talking about people on the way down coming across other people ascending who have collapsed and run out of oxygen. They don't help..they clutch their own oxygen closer and move on. Because to give the O2 to someone else, means you may not have it and die yourself. Fools dying on Everest is yes, their own business. It's not a good thing though and I agree people could definitely put their resources to better use. They won't though, and that's part of why we have the world we have today.
Yup. Let's say you're a 10$ millionaire. You're probably earning 10% interest on your 10 million annually, or about a million per year on interest and you don't even have to get out of bed to do it.

Every year, you could just pick 10 struggling middle class families, open a trust for them, and put in $100,000 with a $5000 per year payout to help them get ahead. It's not enough to get irresponsible with, but it's enough to get ahead on bills, buy a new car, etc. and that money would last 20 years... Could even put a clause that if they are convicted of any crimes they lose the trust.

The millionaire would never feel the lost money, but would in a few decades lift scores of families out of poverty in a responsible fashion.

But let's bring it back to the Everest deal. Instead of blowing $100,000 on a dumb Everest climb, pick 10 families and put $10,000 in trusts for each of them, payable out to even $500 per year for 20 years. That extra money can mean the difference for lower-middle class between survival and homelessness...

Oh well they gotta get their selfie on Everest...
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Yup. Let's say you're a 10$ millionaire. You're probably earning 10% interest on your 10 million annually, or about a million per year on interest and you don't even have to get out of bed to do it.

Every year, you could just pick 10 struggling middle class families, open a trust for them, and put in $100,000 with a $5000 per month payout to help them get ahead. It's not enough to get irresponsible with, but it's enough to get ahead on bills, buy a new car, etc. and that money would last 20 years... Could even put a clause that if they are convicted of any crimes they lose the trust.

The millionaire would never feel the lost money, but would in a few decades lift scores of families out of poverty in a responsible fashion.

But let's bring it back to the Everest deal. Instead of blowing $100,000 on a dumb Everest climb, pick 10 families and put $10,000 in trusts for each of them, payable out to even $500 per month for 20 years. That extra money can mean the difference for lower-middle class between survival and homelessness...

Oh well they gotta get their selfie on Everest...

----THIS. Exactly. I'd love to be in a position to do that. You could truly change the direction and destiny of families. Give them the potential for real wealth generation. Oh well.. maybe I'll win the PowerBall or something. I'm doing good these days...but not THAT good!
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People in line waiting to reach summit.

At that altitude, you arent just waiting, your dying, its only getting down to survivable elevation that saves you.
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Tell that to the Sherpas who are making money. Most of them can work for about 3 months and make more then others there make in a year.
This is their bread and butter, granted there was not nearly as many working Sherpas 30 years ago as we see today. Supply and demand, capitalism creeps up into the roof of the world.

Now we are seeing conga-lines of people clinging to ropes inching towards the top. The death zone of 26k-29k feet is just that. If you are not an experienced climber in 100% condition, you may come down the mountain in a body bag.

The storms that crop up along with the thin air are killers. The better financed teams with large supplies of oxygen have the better chances to sit one out and survive. Still we see pictures of experienced climbers missing noses, ears, fingers and toes.

What was the Hemmingway quote? The only sports today are auto racing, bull fighting and mountain climbing. Everything else is just a game.
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Death rate and estimates are all over the place. Simple math shows around 1 in 15. Think about that. 1 in 15. And even those who live, have a significant chance of losing a foot, toes, hands and/or fingers.

This article said odds are 1 in 62, or about 1%. Seems to be fuzzy math, maybe they are not including Sherpas or excluding multi-trip or only those that summit? Same article says BBC calculates it's 25% for "older" climbers and 2% for younger climbers.
https://www.climbing.com/news/climbi...it-to-the-top/

Even on the "low" end, spending $50-100,000 for an "at best" 2% chance of death or serious injury is not very appealing. And on the high end, 1 in 4 or even 1 in 15 is pretty terrible.

Is there anything you partake in that has even a 1% chance of death today? Probably not. How about 25% chance of death? Or otherwise extremely high likelihood of injury?

Probably the most risky think most folks do that can have an instant deadly result is driving. And odds of death while driving are extremely remote. About 100 deaths per day, out of hundreds of millions of daily drivers.

Yeah, I just think it's foolish and have zero sympathy for people who spend their money on such foolish selfish narcissism.
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I think this sums it up.

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Yeah, I just think it's foolish and have zero sympathy for people who spend their money on such foolish selfish narcissism.
I can agree with your last line.

However, it is their choice. While the money is foolishly spent by climbers, it does not go to waste.

People choose to work in that industry because it is better then other options. Close the mountain and condemn many to poverty.
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I think this is just BS - close the mountain down until they get a handle on this. Maybe I'm just tired of the 1%'s screwing the rest of us (including the Sherpas). And as for the Sherpas......what did they do for a living before this huge influx of wanna be climbers?
Go back to it, dudes.....
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I think this is just BS - close the mountain down until they get a handle on this. Maybe I'm just tired of the 1%'s screwing the rest of us (including the Sherpas). And as for the Sherpas......what did they do for a living before this huge influx of wanna be climbers?
Go back to it, dudes.....
The sherpas have been doing this for the last 100 years. What do you want them to go back to?
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Maybe rich people should stop putting Sherpa's lives at risk and instead just donate money to them altruistically. Stop destroying the mountain with litter. Nobody dies. Money is injected into the Nepal economy. Win-win for everyone.

In brief research, I've seen numbers from 4000 to 6500 assents. I've seen numbers from 265 to 300 deaths. Over 80 Sherpa deaths.

So for any climber, that's roughly 1 in 15 chance of dying. And far larger number of serious injuries like frostbite. And of the deaths, about 20% have been Sherpas....

Yesterday, 11 tons of trash were removed thru various agency efforts to clean up the "Highest garbage dump in the world" aka Mt. Everest.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/nepa...verest-2043767

"Hundreds of foreign mountaineers spend thousands of dollars to conquer the peak every spring season, which normally begins in early April and lasts until May. As they go on the dangerous climb, they leave behind a trail of litter.

Various stakeholders, including the Tourism Ministry, the Nepali Army, the Nepal Mountaineering Association, the Nepal Tourism Board, the Sagarmatha National Park, the SPCC and the local government have joined hands for this clean-up campaign.

In recent times, Everest has often earned the moniker of the world's highest garbage dump.

Several tonnes of old equipment, oxygen cylinders, rubbish and human waste litter the famous mountain."





The 2 pictures which are actually on a mtn are not of trash but of budist prayer flags
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You would think they would have run an O2 pipeline up there by now, reducing the need to bring O2 tanks.

And maybe a mile long zip line to come back down on.

If you get altitude sickness, breathe some O2, then hop on the zip line to a much lower elevation.
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At one time, it was an impressive feat. Now, it seems so much more narcissistic than anything.

Cost to summit Everest exceeds $50,000. FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS! I've even read books (K2 and Into Thin Air) that explains the real costs are 6 figure dollar amounts. And odds are good you're going to lose body parts to frostbite, and odds of death are relatively high as well...

One could literally change a person's life with that money. Show up at a poor families house and pay off their home, or buy them groceries for 10 years, etc.

If you can't find something more altruistic do throw your money at, I give zero ***** about your fate on Everest.

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You DO know that without them far more species would be extinct today.... Right?

That money keeps those animals (as a species) ALIVE!



Tell me: how's the Gov welfare doing?
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Death rate and estimates are all over the place. Simple math shows around 1 in 15. Think about that. 1 in 15. And even those who live, have a significant chance of losing a foot, toes, hands and/or fingers.

This article said odds are 1 in 62, or about 1%. Seems to be fuzzy math, maybe they are not including Sherpas or excluding multi-trip or only those that summit? Same article says BBC calculates it's 25% for "older" climbers and 2% for younger climbers.
https://www.climbing.com/news/climbi...it-to-the-top/

Even on the "low" end, spending $50-100,000 for an "at best" 2% chance of death or serious injury is not very appealing. And on the high end, 1 in 4 or even 1 in 15 is pretty terrible.

Is there anything you partake in that has even a 1% chance of death today? Probably not. How about 25% chance of death? Or otherwise extremely high likelihood of injury?

Probably the most risky think most folks do that can have an instant deadly result is driving. And odds of death while driving are extremely remote. About 100 deaths per day, out of hundreds of millions of daily drivers.

Yeah, I just think it's foolish and have zero sympathy for people who spend their money on such foolish selfish narcissism.
And this is considered fun / enjoyable to people? Chopping off years of your life to stand on a tall peak?

Retarded if you ask me.

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yeah apparently the backlog is caused by everyone heading out in good weather hoping to get some tanning in.

seriously it is a big tourist thing these days but in reality with only 350 annual licenses to climb issued each year 20 people are year represents a less than 10% casualty rate. the reality is, mount Everest is a really really dangerous mountain to climb for people not sufficiently experienced. With out their guides more people would likely die. Although if anyone wants to see me go risk death and dismemberment message me about the 100,000 transfer and I will top Everest. Because real men can do things like Climb Everest.
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They will be removing approximately 11 tonne of garbage off Everest and estimate that on Alaskas Mt. Denali there could be about 66 tonne of poop revealed as the snow melts . Geez Louise .
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I think this is just BS - close the mountain down until they get a handle on this. Maybe I'm just tired of the 1%'s screwing the rest of us (including the Sherpas). And as for the Sherpas......what did they do for a living before this huge influx of wanna be climbers?
Go back to it, dudes.....
Nice knee jerk, someone dies and it should be banned?
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