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Old 01-25-2020, 10:06 PM
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Coronavirus can only survive about 48 hours on a surface.


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Coronavirus can only survive about 48 hours on a surface.


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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2863430/
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Old 01-25-2020, 10:21 PM
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That's for the SARS virus. This is not the SARS virus. Everything I've read is that they don't know enough to know for sure how long the virus will last & most also will say that different conditions effect this, that there isn't a 2 day doomsday clock that starts the second the virus attaches to something. Most viruses last longer in cold weather vs hot, smooth surfaces over porous surfaces. Until they come out with a lot more specifics on this virus, I'd rather play it safe than assume it's going to do the exact same as X virus did before.
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Old 01-25-2020, 10:28 PM
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Turns out that baking it at 250F. for half an hour will do the job.

Not only no, but he11 no, to online banking, which I trust about as far as I can throw a Buick, one-handed.
Who said trust it?

I don't trust mailings check that can be ripped off, coppied, washed and rewritten etc.

I have 3 bills:

1. Mortgage which is always the same and I get a bank statement monthly showing paid, $0 owed.
I check online and see that the money has been taken, and what does it matter if the paper receipt sits in an unopened pile for 3 extra weeks?

2. Insurance. Basically the same thing. (Both of these occurrences happen on set days of the month, making them easy to watch.)

3. Phone/internet. All so on a set day of the month, but I also get a text recept .

Use a card, if there's a problem dispute it.
How is this more risk than a paper check?

Or in context: even if it is, if your worries about "infection mail" it suddenly becomes LESS risk!

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Don't forget that some of that mail is paperwork that has to be retained in a file. e.g. bills, tax documents, SS benefit statements......

Then (for some folks) there might be 3-year-old grand-daughter's crayon artwork, which better be stuck to the refrigerator in case they come to visit two years hence. (Assuming we all survive, of course.)
I'm saying retain it. Just isolate it for 3 weeks since the virus can apparently survive on it 2.on
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The paranoias are running rampant
(Looks around.)

Did you just notice where you are?

I plan to pick up my mail (and open it) this week.
But no harm in understanding PPE procedures for a specific risk.

If I were currently working in my degree field it would be MANDATORY training.
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Coronavirus can only survive about 48 hours on a surface.


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One of the (WAY too many) links/studies/sources I've read about this (ignoring the ones that are obviously "just some guy speculating online")
Said 48 hours, and 2 weeks if 'snot' was on the hand that touched the paper.


I'd err on the side of conservative if it gets to the point I was being proactive.

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In 2015 I disabled my Paypal account. Twice in that year my credit card # was stolen, and Citibank told me that the security breaches were traced directly back to Paypal. Then Paypal had the gall to demand direct access to my bank. After they failed twice to protect my credit card.

'nuff said. No more online payment schemes for me. My ISP and Hughesnet I allow to charge my credit card, only because they say they can't process payment by check, and I need the services. I buy a lot on Amazon and from Walmart online. Citibank will indemnify me if those go wrong.

How many ways can a hacker compromise your online banking? Keystroke loggers still exist. Unsecured wifi. What else? Phishing emails I get one or two a day, it seems. One day maybe one will fool me. There's a trick where a hacker redirects your login to your bank to their own URL if you're not vigilant enough.

What can/will your bank do for you if some hacker drains your account?
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48 hours is plenty of time for mail contaminated by an infected postal worker to arrive in your mailbox with live virii attached.
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What can/will your bank do for you if some hacker drains your account?
I have my card info stolen every 2-3 years.

1. They can't drain your account (unless you only have a few hundred dollars in it) banks have daily limits to avoid this. If you want them increased you have to call in.

I keep a very limited amount in my checking account and only have my savings account back it up for checks, not cards. So if it went over vs draining the account it would refuse to process.

2. You can set up fraud alerts with many cards.

3. Only 1x have I not had my money back in LESS than 24 hours.
I just switch to a different debit card till I get the new one.
Again, I'm not telling you to do this forever.
Just to mitigate the greater risk, if you perceive it to be a greater risk.

Your money (which if stolen you'll get 100% returned.)
Or your life? (No refunds)

Choose.
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One of the (WAY too many) links/studies/sources I've read about this (ignoring the ones that are obviously "just some guy speculating online")
Said 48 hours, and 2 weeks if 'snot' was on the hand that touched the paper.


I'd err on the side of conservative if it gets to the point I was being proactive.

JMHO, YMMV.
I think I remember reading something about this, too. But it got lost in the shuffle, and now I cannot find the source. Could you please let me know if you run across the link(s) again?
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OK, we all know about the Coronavirus. Looks to be hyper-contagious.

I'm prepped, of course. I could quarantine the place for months. Plenty of water/food/fuel/sanitary supplies in stock.

But it occurs to me that the virus could be carried inside my perimeter by the mail.

First of all, handle it initially with disposable gloves. 95% is junk mail, can be burned immediately. But some of it must be opened and read. What to do? Dunk it in a vat of alcohol or Listerine? Bleach? Hydrogen peroxide? Bake it? (What temp would kill the virus?)

A fun thought experiment if you have nothing better to do.
As an aside, while at the home improvement store yesterday I took a quick look at the masks/respirators and noticed that it was looking pretty empty, and the word is out on this. Might want to refresh or stock up more masks for the airborne aspect of this thing.
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I think I remember reading something about this, too. But it got lost in the shuffle, and now I cannot find the source. Could you please let me know if you run across the link(s) again?

My post in this thread is extremely similar, #5. It's about banknote paper and and it concludes flu can last up to 3 days or as much as 17 days if a child's snot is used.

Here's a link to the study.

https://aem.asm.org/content/74/10/3002
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What about Email?


Q:How do you know panic and paranoia have set in?

A: When people start talking about baking and microwaving their mail.
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Mmm..I wonder how/if this will hurt Amazon, whom deals with China/Hong Kong products?
People will be ordering masks and disinfectants and never stopping to think about where it comes from.
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Hey, just to let ya'll know about Amazon. If you make sure your order is fulfilled by Amazon, it won't come from China right now. It would be in an Amazon warehouse here in the states somewhere.

At least until stocks are depleted.
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I was thinking about this earlier today when I looked to see where a package I ordered three weeks ago was coming from. Guangdong. Surely this virus can't survive for nearly a month. Right?
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Hey, just to let ya'll know about Amazon. If you make sure your order is fulfilled by Amazon, it won't come from China right now. It would be in an Amazon warehouse here in the states somewhere.



At least until stocks are depleted.
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I make my butler read my mail to me behind a plexiglass barrier. Has worked so far.
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