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Old 01-15-2020, 02:53 PM
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Another mfg. throwing its hat into the AR market. If nothing else, hopefully this keeps supply up & prices low.



https://gatdaily.com/zion-15-iwi-joi...mestic-market/



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"An… AR?
Yep.
In this market?
Yep.

Domestic? Yes, domestic. No 922r.

I got my confirmation last night and IWI is jumping into a crowded AR field. With a plan it sounds like. More on that when I have a conversation on that front.

Now onto the AR, let’s take a look…

Zion -15

M-LOK freefloat. Button rifled CMV barrel. Midlength gas on a 16″. B5 Furniture. It honestly reminds me of the Tac II Carbine from FN. No frills, just works....
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Meh... How many monies?
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MSRP says $900.
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Does . . . not . . . compute. Nothing against IWI, as this has nothing whatsoever to do with expectations of quality, but the market is awash with ARs at price points for every budget. It's good that they're going with a sufficiently long hand guard and midlength gas, but those certainly aren't unique. Was anyone really sitting around, holding off buying an AR until IWI announced their offering?

I'm sure they have a plan, but much like the Springfield Saint and Savage MSR, this seems like a product nobody is particularly asking for in 2020.
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average schmoe is not going to pay that much with PSA deals
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*yawn* <scratches butt> Going back to sleep........wake me when something truly revolutionary hits the market.
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They need to make an IDF A1/A2 clone. THAT would sell like hot cakes.
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It computes just fine.
Virginia is a prime reason for getting in the AR market right NOW. And its an election year. So many have short memories, or just choose to forget.

Regardless of the chances of natl gun control happening this year, the states are going nuts, especially the east coast. Fast way to turn over inventory, just buy American made, IWI stamped receivers, put together a rifle and sell it. They can play the Made In USA angle, as well as the IWI angle. And no import issues becaue its made of American parts already.
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AR is such an oversaturated market already. What does the IWI AR-15 do to set it apart from others?
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Again, short memories

Every election year the Dems scream gun control, not to mention try to buy an AR of any quality in VA right now. Its the perfect time to get in the market. Apparently the business end of it falls on deaf ears.

Im remembering now why I rarely post here any more
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Again, short memories

Every election year the Dems scream gun control, not to mention try to buy an AR of any quality in VA right now. Its the perfect time to get in the market. Apparently the business end of it falls on deaf ears.

Im remembering now why I rarely post here any more
Almost every other manufacturer has inventory on the shelves, courtesy of the Trump Slump. If you think that a new manufacturer is going to keep up with a run on ARs like during the last several scares, you're crazy - they will be among the first to be placed on waitlists for parts - it happens everytime. The new kid on the block gets placed at the end of the line, in favor of established purchasers.

The corpses of defunct AR manufacturers littered the ground after the last scare - several of whom made superior products, and who didn't try to screw people over...all because they couldn't keep up with parts. IWI isn't going to change that in the slightest, unless they manufacture every part in-house (they don't).
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Every election year the Dems scream gun control, not to mention try to buy an AR of any quality in VA right now. Its the perfect time to get in the market.
If countless dealers and distributors weren't sitting on inventory despite deep discounts, I could see current events and the next election being factors, but ARs are gathering dust in shops, and online retailers are to the point where they can't lower prices much more, either. There's a reason PSA bundles stuff, sometimes seemingly as random as a handgun combined with multiple AR lowers, or mags and cases. They're swamped unsold merchandise.

In the case of IWI, they seem to be targeting a price point above entry level, but below that of higher-end guns with upgraded triggers, match barrels, or really anything particularly innovative. If they were to go for some sort of "ultralight" build or something especially suited to home defense with things like optic and weapon-mounted light included, maybe it'd make sense, but ARs are supposedly to be basically interchangeable, so there's not much appeal for the broader market segment when it comes to anything that deviates very far from accepted specs.

If there weren't already companies like BCM, Aero Precision, Spike's and others already entrenched at that price point, or Daniel Defense and FN the next rung up the ladder, this would make more sense. I wish IWI well in convincing people that this is something different/better, but at the end of the day, it's just another AR.
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Again, short memories

Every election year the Dems scream gun control, not to mention try to buy an AR of any quality in VA right now. Its the perfect time to get in the market. Apparently the business end of it falls on deaf ears.

Im remembering now why I rarely post here any more
Is it because you don't get how things work? Or because you don't like when other people voice their opinions?

There are many, MANY Ar's available now, with a good track record, that cost less. There are MANY that are considered to be "better" that cost a bit more...but again, they have a solid track record.

Why would anyone want to buy an unproven model of a mid priced AR, even if it IS IWI, which 90% of Americans have never heard of, with their last gasp, gotta get an AR before they are gone, money?

Now, if they start getting a good reputation and can get the Colt fanbois behind them as their replacement "my gun is better than yours" weapon, they'll do fine.

But there are a TON of good $6-$800 guns out there. Building decent guns at $400 is relatively easy.

Unless IWI has a LOT of stock on the shelves when the run starts...they aren't winning this game.
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Again, short memories

Every election year the Dems scream gun control, not to mention try to buy an AR of any quality in VA right now. Its the perfect time to get in the market. Apparently the business end of it falls on deaf ears.

Im remembering now why I rarely post here any more
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Don't worry, many seem to get butt hurt when someone releases a new AR, just like when springfield did it in 2016. https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...rinfield+Saint

Same thing anytime Glock releases a new pistol.

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Don't worry, many seem to get butt hurt when someone releases a new AR, just like when springfield did it in 2016. https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...rinfield+Saint

Same thing anytime Glock releases a new pistol.
It's not that some of us get butthurt. It's more a question of "why"? Springfield offered absolutely nothing new or revolutionary with the introduction of the Saint. Anyone of us can go buy the same damn COTS parts and have our build look just like a Saint or anyone of the how many manufacturers out there?

Some of us just choose not to get worked up over the #metoo market.
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It's not that some of us get butthurt. It's more a question of "why"? Springfield offered absolutely nothing new or revolutionary with the introduction of the Saint. Anyone of us can go buy the same damn COTS parts and have our build look just like a Saint or anyone of the how many manufacturers out there?

Some of us just choose not to get worked up over the #metoo market.
Or...why would I buy a Saint, knowing Springfield has had numerous QC/QA issues, knowing they donated tens of thousands of dollars to ant-2A politicians, and knowing if I am smart, I can buy a complete BCM for $750? What does the Saint offer me that is "better," and worth ignoring the above?
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AR is such an oversaturated market already. What does the IWI AR-15 do to set it apart from others?
Really? EVERYONE in your family (or you know) is properly equipped? If only.
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Really? EVERYONE in your family (or you know) is properly equipped? If only.
I do not have a family anymore, but if I did and they were to buy an AR-15, why the IWI and not one of the other 5 or 6 dozen manufacturers of them? What does the IWI model bring to the table that sets itself apart from the other options?
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Really? EVERYONE in your family (or you know) is properly equipped? If only.
Really? Your’s aren’t?

What are you waiting for?
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its not like the are actually making an AR-15.....they are simply assembling an ar-15 with parts made from other companies and then slapping there name on it...…...very commpn thing to do in the AR market.
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