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Old 10-09-2019, 09:59 PM
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OK, I did several searches and didn't see a thread on this.

Let's say, just to have a scenario of some sort, that Trump exposes a lot of criminal activity and things get heated up, the left goes wilder than usual, and martial law was declared for the United States. Martial law has happened before under Abraham Lincoln, but the times now are not like they were in the 1860's.

Our rights would be suspended and travel would probably be restricted. Many of us are far enough out into the country that troops are not likely to come to us looking for lodging or supplies. They'd be more likely to stick closer to towns for that, at least at first. How many facets of martial law would likely be implemented? Would stores, utilities, and transportation function as normal? A certain amount of panic is likely, especially if people were unable to get heart meds/insulin/thyroid medicine/whatever.

I'm guessing that the severity and length of time that martial law would be imposed would vary depending on the scenario that caused it to happen, and the areas of the country that set it off. Antifa would be more active in California than in Kansas. How would you picture this going down, and how long do you think it would take to restore order?
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It would turn into a shooting event quickly I think.
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I think it will be very hard to tell what it will look like. Depends on the reason for the declaration how a lot of people will react.

Remember when the demonrats put the Japanese in internment camps. Lots of them lost almost everything property wise.

I'm not getting in the cattle car and I have no interest in a FEMA camp. Yellowstone goes off, virus from space or a DOD leak, I might change my mind. Kommiefornia falls in the Pacific, well **** happens.
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Martial law would be more for show then reality. Used to increase the enforcement abilities and prosecution of people caught.

There simply isn't enough military nor law enforcement personnel to do more then make a show in key cities.
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I think as far as how people would react, the power outages in the UK not too long ago show is exactly that.

People started to freak out after 4 hours with no access to food.

Would it happen that quickly? No, but in a true martial law situation, it would happen quick enough.

I, however, agree with Steve _in_29. To pull it off nationally as true martial law would require much more than we have the ability to do. Select areas, especially liberal strongholds like Chicago, yes, but not small town Texas or BFE Ohio.
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IMHO if for any reason marshal law was declared in the USA. It would be for specialized areas, where a critical problem exists. Declaring marshal law nation wide would be impractical.
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THE USA is too big a country to try to control under ML.
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The trouble setting it off would still be isolated.

As has been discussed before most rural folks are already fairly independent of the requirements that the bigger cities and towns need to survive.

Look back to history and there are capsule looks available. Watts riot, Detroit in '67, anywhere there has been one of those biggies where the NG was called in, you see it at its worst with curfews etc.

Same for those big hurricanes where they order evacuation and seal off areas afterwards The idea is to control the madness to a single location and not have it spread due to looting and pillaging.

It would depend on the incident as to whether there would be an attempt at nation wide ML. EMP blast that brings country to stop... that is a whole different thing. AND.. if EMP was really effective enough to stop all transportation in its tracks, that would pretty much control the flow of people to foot speed.

Otherwise it would be difficult for the govt to pull the trigger and try to lock down the whole country.
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When I was a kid martial law got declared many years ago in areas like Watts, Chicago and Detroit. Those areas were surrounded, sealed off and access was limited for people trying to come or go into them.

Military police were used to set up roadblocks in key intersections. If you approached one of these roadblocks, you were directed as to where to go and all vehicles were subject to search. If you were found to have contraband in your vehicle, you were arrested and your vehicle was impounded.

One woman tried to run a military controlled roadblock and found out that the Army MPs do NOT kid around at all. Her car and her leg got stitched up real good by a .30 caliber Browning machinegun which brought an end to her efforts to smuggle supplies of ammo into rioters in Watts. When the nice MPs tell you to stop, they mean stop.

Most riots die off inside of a few days because, like most liberal ideas, they don't plan ahead and they always come up with lousy ideas. The actual riots last about 72 hours is what most experts tell us. After about a week things return pretty much to normal in the riot area for the most part because people need food, gasoline, to get to work and so on.

If trouble does occur in the U.S., more than likely it will happen on cue in areas that the Democrats historically control. That means that the Democrats will tell their pals in the ghetto areas to start acting up, make some noise and draw some attention to themselves. While a small group is setting fire to stores in their own areas, the Democrats will give their media pals their take on the news and expect the media to help spread their lies. Same stuff, different day. The majority of Americans who listen to the news will be avoiding these riot torn areas and doing their shopping further out in the suburbs.

After the election, right after the election, everybody should have their situational awareness on high ready. In fact, whether or not Trump wins, loses or even if comes to a draw, people would be smart to stay aware of everything and everybody who is around them. Keep your back to a wall and sit in a corner when you can. Do not let anybody get behind you. Watch other people from the shadows when it is possible. Carry concealed and do not display your weapon unless you intend to actually shoot/fight with somebody. Keep surprise to your advantage. If you fight, fight to win and do not hesitate.

Any way, martial law has been used in the past and it only effected certain areas of our nation and not the whole nation. I can see history repeating itself in short order at election time, with riots probably just before election time, in an effort to intimidate Trump voters into not showing up. That's the way liberals work.
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If it were to happen under Trump, chances are good that he would do the minimum amount necessary to contain the situation. If, God forbid, the democrats voter fraud their way into the White House and Hell-ary or ? gets in, they would most likely respond with as heavy of a hand as they could. Air traffic was shut down after 9/11, and that could possibly happen again. If they were to block highways, trucks would not get through and stores would not be supplied. An empty grocery store = major panic.
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OP... your question is... What would ML look like in the US. There are 50 different occurrences that could kick off ML, but one of those things would have to occur first.

Then.... The military and likely the various state National Guards would be involved, but I could see them completely focusing on the major metro areas. As someone said above, the US is too big for ML sweeping across everywhere. Curfew's would be implemented, etc. Rural folks, I believe, would be left alone...... at least initially. If it were a gun confiscation thing... everyone would get a knock on the door.

One thing I have to wonder about is if the Socio-Retardo-Dems (who will probably run our nation one day).... will they doubt the loyalty of the armed forces and national guard's.... and seek to flood our nation with Blue Helmets to do the dirty work?????
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What would martial law look like?

It would look like dead government workers laying in the streets
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Depends somewhat on what the cause is, because troop deployment patterns depend somewhat on the reason for which they're being deployed.

Let's assume there's widespread rioting and unrest, but no specific battle-lines have been drawn, there are no specific groups that are being targeted.

In that case, I would except a heavy police and military presence concentrated in and around metro areas, especially around areas where the riots have centered on, maybe downtown, or near the university, or in certain neighborhoods. In addition, there would be checkpoints set up along major thoroughfairs in and out, and also around important locations, such as city hall, PD, banking district.

Now, the checkpoints have been set up, and the presence is there, they can increase the pressure or threat level at any time by demanding to see proof of identity (Papiere, bitte), explanation of your reason for travel, etc.

Such things are doable, even within our current legal framework, but only under conditions that they could sell to the public as necessary, and most likely only in narrow regional contexts (aftermath of Katrina, etc) and not nationwide.

If they start doing things like raiding homes based on 4473 records (no crime, just gib ur guns) or by reverse lookup on party affiliation ("hmmm you're registered as a republican in a deep blue CA county, sucks to be you comrade") then we're into civil war territory, not martial law only.
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It would depend on location , rural areas probably not so much but big city's might look like escape from new york.
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Not enough police and military in the country to do anything like national martial law. I could certainly see it happening in some large cities though.
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The left is mostly concentrated in cities and specific college campuses. It won’t go 1970s Dirty War in Argentina nasty unless a low intensity civil war starts. Seriously unlikely to affect rural or suburban areas. It will be applied regionally, even within states.
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IMHO if for any reason marshal law was declared in the USA. It would be for specialized areas, where a critical problem exists. Declaring marshal law nation wide would be impractical.
This. A little perspective is that the country is vastly too big for any semblance of enforceable martial law. As Bunkerbuster noted, key nodes and high-value areas would get consolidated security and likely enforcement of whatever version of martial law is enacted. For the rest of us, it would likely be imposed travel restrictions, curfews, etc. Nothing to serious and likely very difficult to enforce as well. If the government was the resource center for food and water distribution, fuel, medical services etc., I would assume those areas would have heightened restrictions.

The impact to most of us would simply be scratching our vacation and bugging in for a while. If it's a regional catastrophe, martial law would likely be enforced to keep looters and gawkers from entering the affected area. I really think it would be limited to regional-specific travel restrictions or curfews.

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WHEN I was on the SD, we had a riot that developed as the result of 5 white kids shot by a black guy while at a football game.
The local cops went in to get the shooter and got chased out, they returned and on the third attempt more shots were fired, the "students of color" went ape ****e and it all went down hill from there.

The whole SD got called in and we went to the mattresses. I was on the county wide tactical team(it was a co-op involving a lot of officers and depts and we could field around 250 trained men who had worked as a unit before..thanks VN war protests) I was assigned as a sniper and cross trained on gas dispersal. We wound up with over 400 additional cops who volunteered for duty from all over the state. The Gov. activated the NG and they basically surround the whole area and maintained the perimeter.

It was an interesting place to be, lots of shots in the dark, lots of calls for backup. Out of town cops were put into a pool and they would join a car with a local PD officer behind the wheel so they wouldn't get lost.

Because I was gas trained and sniper trained I was in a 4 man made up of 2 locals and another Tac member and me. We just ran to trouble spots where they needed gas or were having shots fired at them as they tried to control the looting and fires. I returned fire on muzzle flashes from the buildings if fired upon but I never hit anyone as far as we could find. It was fast flash shooting for suppression fire in conditions so dark I usually couldn't find the front sight that fast.. When the other Tac members entered the buildings where firing was coming from the folks they did find had nothing to do with it so they said. ... I must have gone through $10,000 in gas that first night. Interesting trivia, every officer was assigned his own personal gas grenade that was secured to his belt as a sort of suicide pill. If something happened and you got isolated and in danger from rioters as they closed in on you you pulled the pin and POOF You are enveloped in a cloud of gas, and it is hard to beat on someone if you are puking your guts out.

Another interesting bit.. there was a McDonalds hard up against the combat zone. It probably would have burned...BUT... early on the manager said he and his crew were not going anywhere and they would be open 24/7 providing FREE FOOD for any LE involved in the duty. SO, the burden of trying to take care of all those cops and troops was taken out of the hands of govt. One of the unique events to see in life... A 4 truck military convoy complete with APC guarding a McDonalds semi doing a resupply run. There was a constant 24 hour a day rotation of cops and Army rolling through the place. It was more heavily guarded than the White House. Have no idea what it cost Mcky Dees but if you weighed it against the cost of a lost restaurant and they could write off the food they volunteered, it was probably a good deal .

SO.. I never left the town for 4 days. Our SD at the time was inside the exclusion zone so we had places to crash and change uniforms if needed. We still had patrol duties outside the zone and the older deps were assigned to that duty and they took their cars home with them and never came into the zone until it was over with.

Excitement... gunshots in the night close enough to be heard in flight can really get your juices flowing when in downtown America.. not expected. We were running with another car by one of the big rail yards and some guy opened fire with a shotgun from the top of a train and blew out the back window of the car in front of us. We expedited our exit from the area and our car got pecked at but by then was were out of effective range. We didn't stop because.. it was a rail yard, you don't find people in those without a dog and a starting point and we were on our way to a bad spot where they were calling for help.

On night four, all the demons were out of food and beer and had suffered a LOT of their folks sitting in packed jails allover the state. And it quieted down
Next morning they started sending cops home but with orders to stay by the phones.

I think that pretty much any ML situation would play out like that. Why have troops in place in Podunk, Ks, population 52. Makes no sense and they don't need watching. Nope, it would be where the trouble always seems to be and the control attempts would be specific to those area only.
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As close as we have come recently is when they locked down Boston in search of the Marathon Bombers. Seemed to go smoothly enough, no one took a preemptive strike at the cops and they found the bombers. Pics below if you need a refresher on what it looked like.
https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...uspect-manhunt
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As close as we have come recently is when they locked down Boston in search of the Marathon Bombers. Seemed to go smoothly enough, no one took a preemptive strike at the cops and they found the bombers. Pics below if you need a refresher on what it looked like.
https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...uspect-manhunt
Indeed. I remember being disappointed on how well they took it and how a couple of guys with a couple of bombs could shut down a whole city.

Would have been pretty interesting if it had gone on longer.
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