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First of all I would to point out I know a Glock is a fine weapon and are loved by many. I have owned one and I owned it for a while and but I hated it. for more than one reason. It was however very accurate and tough. But they are not for me.the biggest reason is the lack of a safety switch. Folks this is why they make different kinds of guns. Now the link I'm going to provide below is of man carrying a concealed weapon. While twisting to put his seat belt on, his Glock with 3 safeties built into the trigger discharged while it was in its holster. Now I know there are many trained soldiers on this thread that also swear by Glock. They are thinking what a dumb civilian. It was the holsters fault.

I have had the privileged of working with many direct action operators in joint special operations units. I have personally witnessed a Navy Seal do the exact same thing well sorta. What he did was just dumb. But we expect that from our Navy brothers. That is why they invented the Marine Corps in the first place. To protect them from themselves lol Anyhow.

I want all of my firearms to have a switch where you can turn it off. Now I know safeties can be accidentally switched off. I prefer the old M1911. I always will. One of the reason's is the grip safety and the other is that it has a safety switch. Here's the link to the guy with the Block


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A Glock just does not discharge without a reason or somebody pulling the trigger. Did your Navy SEAL have it in the correct holster or did he have it just stuffed into the first one he could find? Was his gear in good working order or was he a raggedy operator? Had his Glock been improperly modified or "honed?" Some of these special ops clowns just "gotta tune their pieces" to the point of dangerous and stupid. I've seen SWAT cops with 1911s that were tuned to the point that we had to have them remove their guns from the range because they were so unsafe. That pretty much sounds just like what you've described... Note I am asking about the SEAL and not what was pictured in your article. The guy in that article should of had his Glock secured in the belt slide with a strap over the top of the pistol.
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Ok. some guy puts his gun in his holster wrong, without checking to make sure it was all the way in, snags it on his trigger, and that is Glocks fault for not having a manual safety to manipulate? your best safety is located between your ears. i know a guy that has a 1911 and did the same thing with it, except he shot himself in the chest because it was a shoulder rig not a hip holster. this man is lucky. and hopefully he wises up and starts carring his weapon responsibly.
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Yeah, looks to me like he was using a holster that was so worn out that it became flimsy, and it also looks like it was not even the right sized holster for that gun. Can't blame the Glock for that one. It's just like the guys who shove it in their waist band without a holster!
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I couldn't agree more with all of you gentlemen. None of these examples is the fault of the tool. HA HA well not the weapon anyhow. It's all about preference. The scary part though is we are around some of these tools with these tools in their hands.

The Idiot I was referring to modified his holster for some reason.
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Not a real Glock fan here, but I admire the inherent reliability, etc. I do own a "clone" and it will simply not fire without pulling the trigger unless something is badly wrong somewhere.

Safety's are OK except the bubba-type they put on Chikom Toks. The half-cock is perfectly functional for anybody with the brains to know how the gun works.

Glocks have to be the most idiot-proof design ever, but some idiots are better at what they do than others, so you never know.
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Glocks have to be the most idiot-proof design ever, but some idiots are better at what they do than others, so you never know.
Don't every try to make something "idiot proof". They'll just come out with a bigger idiot.
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Sorry firstforce. Didn't ya know that Glocks are revered like the Lord our Saviour here?
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I own both a Glock and a Springfield XD and I prefer to carry the XD because of the 1911 style grip safety. I feel comfortable with my Glock 19 just not for a ccw.
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Gentlemen, the safety issue is moot. The SAS carried the P.35 Browning for many years cocked and unlocked, and had no problems with ADs. The Glock, having a similar manual of arms with no option for a safety beyond the tiny lever on the face of the trigger, has a less pristine safety record, though I submit that many of the instances on record can be tracked back to operator error.

It is all a matter of training, self-discipline and the manner of use and carry of the arm. I am not a Glockophile, nor a Glockophobe. It is a reliable and accurate arm, within the limits of its design and chambering, and it handles the duties expected of it competently in the hands of a competent operator.

Were I to go back into harm's way, unlikely in view of my advanced years, I would carry a .40 Glock with no worries at all, or a .45 ACP 1911, probably in Commander length and frame weight. It ain't the gun, folks.
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firstforcerecon great post, thanks for the reminder to check our choice in gear once in a while to insure everything is working like it should, a good holster is designed to prevent a discharge while carrying no matter the weapon, it's common sense safety, nobody wants to shoot themselves in the ass.
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The only negligent discharge I ever witnessed was a compact 1911 clone (Star PD) which had a safety - the person handling the gun had previously handled it when it was unloaded, handed it back to the owner who then proceeded to reload it (including chambering a round) and then set it down. The handler then picked it up, pointed it at a wall and pulled the trigger without checking to see if it was unloaded again.

The best safety is that one between your ears. A defective holster could have swiped a safety off safe as easily as it could depress a trigger. If you don't like a Glock then don't get one. If you want a Glock to be more "safe" than what it mechanically provides and "want to turn it off", don't chamber a round.

Most people who carry a handgun concealed probably don't really need to carry one, and even less likely to need to carry one with a cartridge in the chamber - they would do just as well with the chamber unloaded. That is the way I carry a Glock unless I am going into a situation where I think I may need to use it (that has been about twice since I bought mine over 20 years ago). A Glock with a cartridge in the chamber is somewhere between Condition One and Condition Zero, generally not what most people need.

YMMV, especially if you are LEO or someone who puts themselves in more danger than the typical civilian does in their day to day routine. I generally don't carry a handgun on my person - I just don't feel the need currently. There was a time about 2 years ago when I had a job in downtown Seattle where I sometimes wished I could carry, but most employers don't allow you to have a gun in the workplace. I have since turned down jobs in downtown Seattle - I don't like the commute and I don't like the environment.

My Glock resides in the headboard of my bed, unloaded and the magazine out of the gun. I started doing that when I realized that my sleep problems could easily result in me grabbing the gun and shooting it before I was fully awake.
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Yeah, and 1911s never have accidental discharges.

I once had an NRA instructor tell me there are more negligent discharges with shotguns than any other type of firearm...despite the fact they have manual safeties.

Also have to wonder why nobody makes this argument when it comes to DA revolvers. In fact, a lot of people would consider the revolver to be one of the safest and most reliable firearms ever invented. And in this case NO safety...

At any rate, the safety is between your ears. Guns don't just "go off" on their own. That guy should have gotten a new holster about 3 years ago.
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I own both a Glock and an old 1911. I feel alot safer carrying the Glock. I'm not nuts about the safety in the trigger on my finger, I don't like that, but it only gets to me after 100 rounds in one setting. Bottom line is they are tools. If you practice, train and become familiar with anything from a butterfly knife to an MP5, you have a better edge.

I had an AD with a revolver, I cocked it and it was pointed down range, but the owner never said it had a hair trigger, it just made me twitch a little and I put the slug in the dirt. If you look at the newer holsters, they are hard sided and have a button over where the trigger to get people carrying Glocks used to drawing with out your finger on the trigger.
I prefer a safety switch too, but being a lefty shooter, its sometimes more convenient to train with the weapon as is.
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At any rate, the safety is between your ears. Guns don't just "go off" on their own. That guy should have gotten a new holster about 3 years ago.
Or gotten a more rigid plastic one to start with.

Personally, it never occurred to me that this particular holster malfunction could happen. I have thought about other malfunctions, especially if the trigger was not covered.

I am coming to the point where I don't particularly want a minimal quick draw holster - I want the opposite; a holster that covers the whole handgun, to the point of having a flap over it. I have a military style holster I bought for my Glock:



And I think this is more or less what I am going to get for most of my handguns. It works okay for the military as a general issue holster, the flap can be removed but I like the flap - it keeps the gun secure and keeps crap out of the holster.

I don't think most of us need a "gunfighter" rig - especially not for everyday purposes and probably not for SHTF purposes either. In a SHTF situation, my handgun is going to be a last ditch defense gun and I will probably have the time to draw even from a holster with a flap - I am going to be more worried about not losing my gun or getting crap in the gun when I fall.
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The Glock has 3 safeties, all of which are disengaged when you pull the trigger. What happens when it goes 'bang' and you didn't intend to pull the trigger... can be called an 'accident', but far too many times results in a 'fatality'.

Here's how you fix that... Siderlock - Safety Trigger for Glock

It works similar to the safety on a Remington shotgun... (assuming your right-handed), simply push it left to turn it 'off'... and back to the right to turn it 'on'... it's also 'lefty-friendly' (easily modified by the user at installation).

Here's an animation of it in use... Siderlock - Features

Here's where you can buy it (or rather, here's where I bought mine) - Lone Wolf Distributors

For those of you who 'hate it'... you can leave it switched off until such time (if any) you feel the need for it... or you can simply not buy one, it makes no diff to me.

My person opinion - I wouldn't own a Glock without it.
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Wow what a crap holster.....

Never understand people that skimp on holster or use one Way past lifespan.

Glocks have all the safeties they need: Your Brain, finger control and proper quality holster.

Personally I will not Carry a pistol with external safety.
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Putting an external safety on the Glock for your piece of mind is just a fancy way of saying that you would like to have an external disconnect so that you can be clumsy, absent minded, etc while not suffering from the ill effects. This is not how the real world works. You do not pay attention at all times and it over. No amount of safeties will protect you from your own disregard for safety.
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I dont know, I like the idea of being able to shove a gun in my pants quickly and not shoot myself. and I like a hammer drop/safety I can see, right under my sights.
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but my daughter likes the Glock, Girls and their conceal carry purses !
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You should say this is exactly why I hate worn out, improper fitting holsters. That was his fault not the Glock.
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