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Old 11-04-2016, 12:03 PM
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Good news everyone. Today one of the parties have their deputies in parliament, Kukiz'15, submitted the proposal liberalizing gun law here. According to the project firearms will be divided into 4 categories:

- Category D - weapons and ammo available without any requirements
- Antique guns and their replicas - all guns produced up to 1885 like Colt SAA and italian Uberti Cattleman
- Blank fire gun

- Category C - weapons and ammunition, which can have under "Citizenship Firearm Card"
- Rimfire carbines (repeating and semi-auto)
- Shotguns (without semi-auto models, but dual-action should be legal)
- Flare guns
- High power airguns (airguns less than 17 Joules in general are not treated as weapons so they are not listed as a weapon category D)
- "Dangerous Devices" - high power tasers and brass knucless


- Category B - like above but under "gun permit"
- Centerfire rifles (repeating and semi-auto)
- Semiauto shotguns
- Pistols
- Full-auto firearms if you have gun permit longer than 5 years

- Category A - weapons and ammunition, possession of which is prohibited.
- High calibre AP rounds
- Ammo filled with explosives
- Hiding appearance guns (pistols in pens etc)

HOW GET THIS?

Obtain "Citizenship Firearm Card"
- Have more than 21 years, with the exception of being a member of a hunting/shooting club/ gun collectors association, then age does not play a major role
- Have a actual medical examination
- Have a certificate of no criminal convictions
- Have a certificate of living on the territory of Poland
- Have a metal cabinet (guns can be stored loaded).


To have "category B" firearms are two ways. First have "Citizenship Firearm Card" longer than 3 years OR pass exam from gun law and gun safety.

CCW licence

To get CCW, just pass "practical shooting test" ie shoot two shooting targets from distance 10 meters from shooter and 3 meters each other, shooter have 30 seconds and 10 shoots for this. Exam pass if shooter get more than 21 points per target

BTW, in this point Poland partly will tighten existing provisions, because sport shooters and people who own muzzle loaded firearms can carry it without additional licence by now.


OK, it's far far away even from NYC perspective about "how start shooting 101", but at least there are no "assault weapon ban" and "no gun zones" (so even now carrying loaded weapons in schools, bars, etc. is completely legal).

If everything goes smooth, in spring 2017 this laws enter into force. So, wish luck for us and our shooting community
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I'm liking Poland and the Visegrad Group more and more. Poland is one of the few countries in Europe with its head on straight.
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I'm liking Poland and the Visegrad Group more and more. Poland is one of the few countries in Europe with its head on straight.
Damn straight, the Poles are brave, honorable good people. They need to arm themselves because there's a Bear awaking from a 25 year hibernation .
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I'm wondering if this has more to do with the external political climate than the internal.
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I'm wondering if this has more to do with the external political climate than the internal.
Agreed. Russia has had a hard on for Poland for a long time.

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hmm, probably thinking their citizens should arm up and prepare to be invaded by russia... yet again
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I'm wondering if this has more to do with the external political climate than the internal.
That's complicated, really. First, since 2014 in Europe we have right-wing populist parties on the rise. In whole Europe, once marginal movements, get big support. As effect more of them get seats in parlaments. In Poland seats get "Kukiz'15", loose federation of nationalists, US republicans and the other "blue birds" of local politics.

Second, situation over Ukraine, Kaliningrad Oblast and lack of feeling about NATO capability. When on Ukraine, Russia annect Crimea and civil war start, in Poland prepping and regional militias (biggest one have more than 1500 members) began to grow quickly.

Third, local shooting community. OK sound strange in country where are 2 guns per 100 citizens, but in past 12 years this marginal communisty start lobbying for law change (something what we have lack in '90, Poles averall are really passive in terms of lobbying and political activity). And from country where even airguns required to obtain a permit, Poland now are country where gun law can be called "european average with with many things more liberal than rest". Local gun lobby called ROMB (literally means rhombus, but it's shortcut from full name ie Ruch Obywatelski Miłośników Broni, Citizen Movement Gun Funs). This project it's de facto their project, fully adjusted to EU standards. Trust me, except buying guns, most of american ideas about gun regulation don't have nothing to do EU standards (mags limits, "tactical" accessories etc just don't exist on EU level of regulation). NICS system with Illinois FOID card fullfit all of EU standards regulation in terms of gun purcharce and ownership.
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Good for Poland...

Looks like your new firearms laws if passed would actually allow more freedom than some states in the US, namely CA, NY, CT, MD, NJ...
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lived a year in Poland, during Martial Law. Pole are fighters, Now, with the law change pending, thinking about moving.
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bit 'off topic' but the Poles make - or did make - very good hot rolled structural steel.
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I applaud my homeland not only setting themselves right as far as firearms go also for saying hell.no to.the moslem invaders
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Good. I am happy to the rise of some brass cahones in the EU.

Some EU countries are too far gone. Don't let Poland fall.
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the slavs and magyars have been defending europe from jihadis for centuries. disarmed you will always be a victim or a slave, period.


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bit 'off topic' but the Poles make - or did make - very good hot rolled structural steel.
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Good. I am happy to the rise of some brass cahones in the EU.

Some EU countries are too far gone. Don't let Poland fall.

Nah, we don't fight against EU this time. Our country must change gun law to EU norms, this project are exatly what EU requires from its members. Same shooting community are split here. Because now Poland after serious gun law changes in 2011, Poland now have one of most liberal gun law on continent and shooters rather than new gun and ammo act, they want further changes in current legislation acts, because fear of lost current privilages like carry guns without additional licence or full-auto firearms for collectors.
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bit 'off topic' but the Poles make - or did make - very good hot rolled structural steel.
I hope somebody else got a giggle from this besides me
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This has been a common theme in a lot of Eastern European countries lately, with the Czech Republic being the closest to US gun freedoms. They haven't forgotten what its like to live under tyranny and won't go so easy this time.

It's especially fitting that Poland is starting to awaken given what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto...good luck my friend
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Yup, in whole Central-East Europe are stronger push up to gun liberalization or organize various militias.

Ukraine by now also work on similar project gun law what I wrote here, also Ukraine have fully working "National Guard" and local shooting organizations with "people militias" organize various trainings for civilians.

Estonia have armed militia (quite big number for that small country, over 25 400 members in whole population smaller than 2 mln people), where volunteers have state issue rifle with 120-150 rounds or AT rocket launcher to home. Also state teach people how organize guerilla tactics, improvise explosive, IED bombs etc. Chef of the Estonian Defense League (thats are name for this state militia) push in govt for more liberal gun law

Lithuania work in most of "conservative" way. Back to conspriction army, civil defence shelters with supplies, massive trainings in case of war in every major industrial plant, schools, offices etc.

In Czech Republic society buy even more guns and ammo than usual.

Romania his chance in war look on build bigger conventional army, american nuclear bombs (Romanian president now have access to NATO nuclear arsenal stored in Romania) and more NATO units in country. No chance for gun law here. Trust me, Romania have much more restrict gun law than Soviet Union

Austria, like Czech Republic, buy guns in any quantities. But rather is blowback from refugee crisis than armed themself against Russia.

Russia - war preparation are also huge deal. Federal govt scare average Russians war with west in every place. Even weather forecast have information about possibly fallout areas or what to do in case air strikes. Also are build big "National Guard" formation for more than 250 000 members across Russia. Gun sales also grow in this country, even when gun law here are restrict

Poland - Government build big "National Guard", shooting range are full, preppers movement grow fast, gun shops have supply shortages. Seriously, when I buy knife sharpenter, just one small shop sold... 5 "cap and ball" revolvers in 30 minutes. Now some politicans work on new gun law here. In many parts of country people start organize own militias (and now they are huge. Biggest one what I know have more than 2000 members, mostly armed in own guns), similar to these one.
http://www.guns.com/2016/10/21/orego...eadily-report/

Who told Poland can't be USA

Latvia, Slovakia, Hungary - no info here
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So if you have a Category B license you can get a full auto AK/RPK/etc? Damn.

Also, what are the restrictions on holding more than 50 rds of ammo? It sounds like fun to have a full auto but if it doesn't have anything to eat then it's basically a nice paperweight.
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This is good news, it is VERY similar to what the Czech Republic has already. Let's see if it actually becomes law, it would almost match the Baltic States who have slightly stronger CCW rights.
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Yup, in whole Central-East Europe are stronger push up to gun liberalization or organize various militias.

Ukraine by now also work on similar project gun law what I wrote here, also Ukraine have fully working "National Guard" and local shooting organizations with "people militias" organize various trainings for civilians.

Estonia have armed militia (quite big number for that small country, over 25 400 members in whole population smaller than 2 mln people), where volunteers have state issue rifle with 120-150 rounds or AT rocket launcher to home. Also state teach people how organize guerilla tactics, improvise explosive, IED bombs etc. Chef of the Estonian Defense League (thats are name for this state militia) push in govt for more liberal gun law

Lithuania work in most of "conservative" way. Back to conspriction army, civil defence shelters with supplies, massive trainings in case of war in every major industrial plant, schools, offices etc.

In Czech Republic society buy even more guns and ammo than usual.

Romania his chance in war look on build bigger conventional army, american nuclear bombs (Romanian president now have access to NATO nuclear arsenal stored in Romania) and more NATO units in country. No chance for gun law here. Trust me, Romania have much more restrict gun law than Soviet Union

Austria, like Czech Republic, buy guns in any quantities. But rather is blowback from refugee crisis than armed themself against Russia.

Russia - war preparation are also huge deal. Federal govt scare average Russians war with west in every place. Even weather forecast have information about possibly fallout areas or what to do in case air strikes. Also are build big "National Guard" formation for more than 250 000 members across Russia. Gun sales also grow in this country, even when gun law here are restrict

Poland - Government build big "National Guard", shooting range are full, preppers movement grow fast, gun shops have supply shortages. Seriously, when I buy knife sharpenter, just one small shop sold... 5 "cap and ball" revolvers in 30 minutes. Now some politicans work on new gun law here. In many parts of country people start organize own militias (and now they are huge. Biggest one what I know have more than 2000 members, mostly armed in own guns), similar to these one.
http://www.guns.com/2016/10/21/orego...eadily-report/

Who told Poland can't be USA

Latvia, Slovakia, Hungary - no info here
It's good to hear because during the communist occupation it was zero-gun rights. Now though most countries in Western Europe have gone the opposite way since '68. I guess the gun rights vaccume is going to bless Eastern Europe now though.
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